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re: Why do Thompson and Dugas switch positions?
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:00 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:00 pm to ProjectP2294
I'll admit defeat, but don't use Jeter to do it. Jeter was not the defensive guru people think he was. He was great at making the ordinary look spectacular because his range sucked
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:02 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
My god, that was his point.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:02 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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but don't use Jeter to do it. Jeter was not the defensive guru people think he was. He was great at making the ordinary look spectacular because his range sucked
No shite. Why do you think I compared him to the best defensive shortstop in history?
To prove that fielding percentage is a meaningless metric.
Are you really this dense?
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:06 pm to ProjectP2294
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No shite. Why do you think I compared him to the best defensive shortstop in history?
To prove that fielding percentage is a meaningless metric.
Are you really this dense?
You are comparing someone with great range to someone with shitty range. Of course Ozzie is going to have more errors and a similiar FP if he gets to more of the tough plays that would be singles against Jeter. Jeter's stats get inflated because he couldn't get to balls that other people could and had less tough plays.
I have no evidence of this, but I would imagine errors were scored more harshly back in the day, and Ozzie was not the star Jeter was, so I could see preferential treatment for DJ's mistakes.
ETA: the fields were objectively better during Jeter's playing days as well
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:09 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Thib-a-doe Tiger
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:12 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
I’m not sure what you think you’re arguing, but I guarantee it’s not a rebuttal to anything I’ve said. Which proves that you still don’t understand what I said.
Go back and read it agin. More slowly this time of you need.
Go back and read it agin. More slowly this time of you need.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:15 pm to ProjectP2294
I got exactly what you said. I don't think you are understanding what I am saying.
On the balls they could get to (this is what fielding % measures), they were very similar.
Ozzie could get to more balls, leading to more tough plays, leading to more errors.
You are arguing the eye test. Apply the eye test to Thompson and let me know what you come up with.
And don't forget all of the balls he bounces to 1st that get picked.
On the balls they could get to (this is what fielding % measures), they were very similar.
Ozzie could get to more balls, leading to more tough plays, leading to more errors.
You are arguing the eye test. Apply the eye test to Thompson and let me know what you come up with.
And don't forget all of the balls he bounces to 1st that get picked.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:17 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Thib-a-doe Tiger
I’ve gone back and read through the thread. You’ve completely missed the point.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:20 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Where the frick did I mention Thompson? I’ve only posted about fielding percentage as a meaningless metric.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:21 pm to DCTXLA
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I’ve gone back and read through the thread. You’ve completely missed the point.
I get exactly what he's saying. From a statistical standpoint they are similar defensively, but the eyes tell a different story.
He's extrapolating a number that only measures what you do when you have an opportunity to field/throw the ball and the outcome to also include how you got those opportunities, where, etc.
The FP says they were pretty close to the same player, the eyes tell you Ozzie was better
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:21 pm to ProjectP2294
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Where the frick did I mention Thompson? I’ve only posted about fielding percentage as a meaningless metric.
That's where this all started
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:25 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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That's where this all started
You may want to go back and review where I entered the thread and what I posted.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:31 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
This thread should die.
JT is a pretty fair, still developing SS chosen by staff, deal with it.
JT is a pretty fair, still developing SS chosen by staff, deal with it.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 2:04 pm to ProjectP2294
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You may want to go back and review where I entered the thread and what I posted.
I know what you posted. The numbers say they are roughly the same when they get their hands on the ball. That is true.
Ozzie had more opportunities. Makes sense that he would have more errors. He also made plays that Jeter couldn't (won't show in stats, will show in eye test).
You are arguing that FP doesn't paint the whole picture on what makes a good fielder. I agree.
I never said anything about JT's range, situational knowledge and awareness, etc. I said that he makes errors, and sometimes on easy plays.
This thread can die now
Posted on 6/22/23 at 2:19 pm to TNTigerman
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Why do Thompson and Dugas switch positions?
So they can take turns being the top?
Posted on 6/22/23 at 2:23 pm to TNTigerman
Because of Dugas' shoulder.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 2:36 pm to TNTigerman
Because Jay knows what he’s doing ( except bunting practice ) lol
Posted on 6/22/23 at 2:41 pm to ECOTIGER
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I think it's more to do with Thompsons range and glove.
The reason Dugas' range is limited is because they don't want him reinjuring the shoulder while laying out for a ball, which is how he got hurt in the first place. Thompson is quicker and can dive for balls. It's not the throw.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 3:23 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Cool. Tell me how it would work out if they tell him "maybe you'll pitch, maybe you won't. If you do, you will likely come in trailing the other team, maybe in the middle of an AB, in a role you haven't played all year, and without your normal game day routine"
Skenes is a true warrior of an athlete who understands these situations. He’ll gladly do whatever it takes.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 4:04 pm to Jax-Tiger
I wouldn’t be at all shocked if Dugas hs surgery after the season to tighten up that shoulder
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