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re: why do some people on here say that Florida

Posted on 6/27/09 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26591 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 1:25 pm to
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Finally, after 5 years in the real world, nobody gives a crap where you went to school. If you can perform you stay, if you cannot you are gone.


By any statistical measure, the average UF student is more intelligent than the average LSU student. It is true that there are several LSU grads who will have more successful careers than UF grads, but the basis for all these rankings and such is the statisical quality of the average students.
Posted by wrlakers
Member since Sep 2007
5748 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 1:26 pm to
This is the best answer to the initial question:
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b/c they invented gatorade
Really though, if you want LSU to improve, then put your money where your mouth is. Harvard and Yale and Vandy don't depend on state legislatures to improve their academics--they depend on private donations. It's time we realize that the state is never going to be able to give LSU enough support to take the academic side of the institution to the next level. If every graduate would support the school, and there are a bunch of graduates out there, then we could compete at a higher level. IMO, LSU did a lot for me. I feel like it's my obligation to give back. Do you?
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36169 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 1:54 pm to
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Honestly, I threw it out as a reference point. Ohio State isn't even the top team in the Big10, nor are we above UF(Fockers ). Not really a bragging point.


It was pretty obvious why you threw it in there, 87.
Posted by LSUGrad78
Member since Jan 2005
426 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 10:28 pm to


By any statistical measure, the average UF student is more intelligent than the average LSU student
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God, Will I need to create another fool.

You also have no idea what you speak of. What statistical measure are you using ACT test scores. SAT test scores. These are not measures of intelligence.

Intelligence comes from the Latin verb intellegere, which means "to understand". By this rationale, intelligence (as understanding) is arguably different from being "smart" (able to adapt to one's environment). It is not merely book learning, a narrow academic skill, or test-taking smarts. Rather, it reflects a broader and deeper capability for comprehending our surroundings—"catching on", "making sense" of things, or "figuring out" what to do.[3]
Posted by LSUGrad78
Member since Jan 2005
426 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 10:35 pm to
PS. I had a grandfather that was an auto mechanic. He finished 11th grade. However, he could speed read a full newspaper in less than 5 minutes and comprehend it all. He could make an engine sing. I would put his "intelligence" against any UF or for that fact LSU student that I ever met. Don't get caught up in this school or that school being better and be very careful how you use words. You should at least know the meaning before you use them. The world has a big surprise for you.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 10:44 pm to
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What makes it a better school than LSU?



Ummmmmmm. Nothing.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24265 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 10:59 pm to
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PS. I had a grandfather that was an auto mechanic. He finished 11th grade. However, he could speed read a full newspaper in less than 5 minutes and comprehend it all. He could make an engine sing. I would put his "intelligence" against any UF or for that fact LSU student that I ever met. Don't get caught up in this school or that school being better and be very careful how you use words. You should at least know the meaning before you use them. The world has a big surprise for you.


Nonetheless, the graduate from both LSU and UF looks more intelligent on paper than your grandpa. It does not mean that in reality they are, but their resume > your gpa's.

I understand as well what you are saying with the 'intellegere' statement, but how are you able to justify that LSU students can "understand" better than UF students? I don't think you have any evidence to back up such a statement.
Posted by Bad Cat
Painted Post, NY
Member since Jan 2004
12091 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:05 pm to
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what?



I love it when a clueless geek falls for the phony bone misspelling trap.
Posted by LSUGrad78
Member since Jan 2005
426 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:11 pm to
I understand as well what you are saying with the 'intellegere' statement, but how are you able to justify that LSU students can "understand" better than UF students? I don't think you have any evidence to back up such a statement.
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If you could read, you would see that "I did not say that LSU students were more intelligent than UF students". What I said is that all of this talk about rating of schools and UF being "better" than LSU is horse shite. I has no meaning and it does not matter. It is all up to the individual and what he chooses to do.
This comparison is just as foolish as childhood playground noise about my dad can beat up your dad.
Like I said earlier. Get the degree, get a real life job, and in 5 years come talk to me.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24265 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:21 pm to
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What I said is that all of this talk about rating of schools and UF being "better" than LSU is horse shite. I has no meaning and it does not matter. It is all up to the individual and what he chooses to do.


I do not believe this. If this were to hold true, then why would anyone ever pay the money to attend an expensive institution with better programs, professors, facilities, prestige, etc..?

All things being equal, if someone applies themselves at Stanford vs. applying themselves at LSU....then.

Average Stanford Student >> Average LSU Student.

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I am not arguing that your degree matters all that much once you are part of the workforce. However, it can be a vital step to opening the door to create an opportunity. The opportunity a Harvard degree offers is just that, an opportunity an LSU grad may never be given out of undergrad.
Posted by LSUGrad78
Member since Jan 2005
426 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:32 pm to
Give you an example.

I am a Chemical Engineer. In our Plant Design course of our senior year we were given a problem to take an existing chemical plant (on paper) which was loosing money and design in techniques and additional equipment in order to make the plant more efficient and make money (we had to do the economics also). One critical piece of equipment was a distillation column. The professor gave us a box of cards (fortran program-we had no pc's) and he said you can use this for the distillation.
We had 15 days to complete. I tried this fortran program for 2 days and continued to get non convergence on the output. I pulled my hair out and decided to give up on the program and do all by hand. We had 30 people in the class. I got the only A. I went to talk to the professor and he asked me how did I get the program to work. I said that I did not, I shite canned it. He laughed and said that it never would have worked and that I was the only one to shite can it. He told me that he felt very good that he was at least graduating one person who could think outside of academics.
The objective was to fix the plant so that it could make money, not to make the computer program work. I thought after, who taught me this concept of concentrating on the real problem? My grandfather who could not really measure up with a resume or a GPA.
Your university will not do this for you. No matter which one. Don't get so hung up on what university is better. It's all a bunch of toilet paper. It's up to you.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:34 pm to
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We have UF graduates teaching in our departments at LSU. The other way round ... not so much.

My aunt and uncle teach at Florida, LSU alums.
Posted by LSUGrad78
Member since Jan 2005
426 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:38 pm to
I do not believe this. If this were to hold true, then why would anyone ever pay the money to attend an expensive institution with better programs, professors, facilities, prestige, etc..?
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Because either you have money to piss away or you are caught up in prestige. Again, it depends on what you want to do and what is important. If I wanted to be an Engineer do you think for one minute I would go to Stanford? Not. I have worked with people from MIT, GT, Cambridge etc. Do you think for one minute that at this level one can tell the difference as to where we went to school. Hell no. We respect each other, we work together and none is more intelligent than the other.
Posted by lsutiger2486
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
6761 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:41 pm to
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Georgia is slightly better than Florida


UGA does not have an engineering program automatic fail.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24265 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:42 pm to
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I am a Chemical Engineer. In our Plant Design course of our senior year we were given a problem to take an existing chemical plant (on paper) which was loosing money and design in techniques and additional equipment in order to make the plant more efficient and make money (we had to do the economics also). One critical piece of equipment was a distillation column. The professor gave us a box of cards (fortran program-we had no pc's) and he said you can use this for the distillation.
We had 15 days to complete. I tried this fortran program for 2 days and continued to get non convergence on the output. I pulled my hair out and decided to give up on the program and do all by hand. We had 30 people in the class. I got the only A. I went to talk to the professor and he asked me how did I get the program to work. I said that I did not, I shite canned it. He laughed and said that it never would have worked and that I was the only one to shite can it. He told me that he felt very good that he was at least graduating one person who could think outside of academics.
The objective was to fix the plant so that it could make money, not to make the computer program work. I thought after, who taught me this concept of concentrating on the real problem? My grandfather who could not really measure up with a resume or a GPA.
Your university will not do this for you. No matter which one. Don't get so hung up on what university is better. It's all a bunch of toilet paper. It's up to you.


Good example, but this is only one example in a field where the place you get a degree really doesn't matter all that much--engineering in the south is one of the strongest majors you can have.

What about the business major that wants to go work for the hedge fund or go into investment banking?

The Ivys have the opportunity the LSU grads do not (there could be an extremely rare case, but every school could make this claim). Statistics would hold that you need to be at an Ivy to have the opportunity.

I do agree with your example about being able to critically think in a real life situation, not only in a textbook.
Posted by lsutiger2486
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
6761 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:43 pm to
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Stanford? Not. I have worked with people from MIT, GT, Cambridge etc


I would only consider GT for undergrad since it is probably affordable. They would all be perfect for graduate school.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24265 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:43 pm to
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Again, it depends on what you want to do and what is important.


This is the critical answer. Sometimes prestige does matter, whether we like it or not.
Posted by LSUGrad78
Member since Jan 2005
426 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:44 pm to
PS. As in previous message, the MIT, Cambridge and GT guys as well as one from Hangyung University in Korea work for me. Believe it, my return on investment was much higher than theirs. And yes, I paid my entire college education myself.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24265 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:44 pm to
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GT for undergrad since it is probably affordable


Not any more affordable than any other private school in the country. You are looking at ~$40,000 a year to go there.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24265 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:46 pm to
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PS. As in previous message, the MIT, Cambridge and GT guys as well as one from Hangyung University in Korea work for me. Believe it, my return on investment was much higher than theirs. And yes, I paid my entire college education myself.


Congrats, it sounds like you have done very well for yourself.

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