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re: Why Do Some Of You Here Think It Is ESPN's Job To Promote LSU?
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:19 am to brewhan davey
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:19 am to brewhan davey
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So by this statement, the lack of "positive perception" ESPN generates about LSU is motivated by ratings, rather than market size? And what could drive ratings in one direction or another for certain teams, besides market size?
To Answer your first question, yes. Why else do you think they cant give a highlight or soundbyte to LSU without referencing the "Mad Hatter."
To answer your second question: Winning. And winning alot. It took 5 straight NC's before ESPN finally got on board the SEC bandwagon. It will take a dominate run unlike any other for them to get on LSUs.
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Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:20 am to nitwit
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And, ESPN has no peers to keep it honest.
Definitely. Do they circumvent antitrust issues by claiming sports divisions of other TV networks as competition? Because in terms of a purely sports network, there is no competition, literally.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:25 am to EZE Tiger Fan
I don't watch daytime ESPN, I work, so maybe I'm missing something but since when does Cris Carter cover college football?
Also, in regards to all of this unbiased talk, don't people see these guys make picks before games? Say Robert Smith picks ND to beat USC; he is going to be 'rooting' for them to win. He wants to be correct. He probably would not be, as ND is near a bottom feeder now but this was just to make a point. These guys are not journalists. Most of the ones you are all talking about are former players who, if they did graduate, did not graduate from the journalism school at their respective colleges. They have zero ethical obligation to be unbiased. They put two guys on screen who will argue with each other because that is what people like to see (ie First Take).
Sports is not a place for unbiased television, or unbiased journalism really. Sports is probably the mosed(ETA: WTF was I thinking when I typed this word? biased and hard headed entertainment in America. I don't want a bunch of guys with no opinions on who is better/worse.
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Also, in regards to all of this unbiased talk, don't people see these guys make picks before games? Say Robert Smith picks ND to beat USC; he is going to be 'rooting' for them to win. He wants to be correct. He probably would not be, as ND is near a bottom feeder now but this was just to make a point. These guys are not journalists. Most of the ones you are all talking about are former players who, if they did graduate, did not graduate from the journalism school at their respective colleges. They have zero ethical obligation to be unbiased. They put two guys on screen who will argue with each other because that is what people like to see (ie First Take).
Sports is not a place for unbiased television, or unbiased journalism really. Sports is probably the mosed(ETA: WTF was I thinking when I typed this word? biased and hard headed entertainment in America. I don't want a bunch of guys with no opinions on who is better/worse.
)This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 11:16 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:28 am to TexasTiger1185
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Sports is not a place for unbiased television, or unbiased journalism really. Sports is probably the mosed biased and hard headed entertainment in America. I don't want a bunch of guys with no opinions on who is better/worse.
Sports are also not a place for a spot in the national championship to be lobbied for, but hey, that's the world we live in.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:39 am to elprez00
Having read the inside story on ESPN, one thing that is easily discernable is that the "suits" in NY run the company & the jocks down in Bristol simply follow their producers' story lines. And the suits care bout one thing & one thing only: bottom line profits. i.e big market teams. USC, during its glory days under P.Carrol, had coverage that makes Tiger's seem like child play. There was actually a segment called "A Day in the Life of USC" which ran every day on the 5-6 pm Sports Center for at least a mth. Like nepotism in the working world, it is what it is, so deal with it or change channels. ESPN lost me yrs ago except for games.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:43 am to brewhan davey
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Sports are also not a place for a spot in the national championship to be lobbied for, but hey, that's the world we live in
I completely disagree with this. The way the BCS is set up, it is ABSOLUTELY a place for lobbying. Do I agree that this is the right thing? No, but when the ranking system allows for media votes how in the world could someone think it is not a place for lobbying? If it was coach votes and winning percentage mixed with strength of schedule, then it probably would not be.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:44 am to TexasTiger1185
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daytime ESPN, I work, so maybe I'm missing something but since when does Cris Carter cover college football?
If I got this wrong as well, I apologize. Again, I don't watch ESPN outside of game broadcasts....which I mute the TV....
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:52 am to TexasTiger1185
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Sports are also not a place for a spot in the national championship to be lobbied for,
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The way the BCS is set up, it is ABSOLUTELY a place for lobbying
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Do I agree that this is the right thing? No,
So, you agree then. Sports aren't the place for a spot in the national championship to be lobbied for. Just because the BCS is set up for lobbying to take place doesn't mean it should have its place in sports. That's what I was saying.
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but hey, that's the world we live in
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:55 am to EZE Tiger Fan
I am no fan of ESPN and acknowldge lots of bias, but there are some practical problems in "quality control" for college football braodcasts:
1. First, you must acknowledge how sensitive the fans are to any slight, real or perceived. SEC fans are the worst/ best about this, b/c of the level of emtotional investment.
2. Some teams will get repeat coverage and hence broadcast teams will be more familiar with the personnel and their "color" or backstories. These same jock broadcasters have to actually work to learn this information about the personnel on the teams with less weekly TV coverage.
3. Every weekend means multihour broadcasts of multiple games which can hardly be monitered for quality by management. This last point should not be underemphasized.
3. During season
1. First, you must acknowledge how sensitive the fans are to any slight, real or perceived. SEC fans are the worst/ best about this, b/c of the level of emtotional investment.
2. Some teams will get repeat coverage and hence broadcast teams will be more familiar with the personnel and their "color" or backstories. These same jock broadcasters have to actually work to learn this information about the personnel on the teams with less weekly TV coverage.
3. Every weekend means multihour broadcasts of multiple games which can hardly be monitered for quality by management. This last point should not be underemphasized.
3. During season
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:57 am to brewhan davey
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So, you agree then. Sports aren't the place for a spot in the national championship to be lobbied for. Just because the BCS is set up for lobbying to take place doesn't mean it should have its place in sports. That's what I was saying.
Yea, I guess we are saying the same thing.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:04 am to lsusteve1
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IMO, there is no such thing as bad publicity.........I don't care if ESPN likes us or not
Just keep winning baby and LSU will get all the attention they want and need.
The defense rests.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:15 am to elprez00
quote:No it didn't. They were well on board by the 3rd, when everyone was calling the SECCG between Bama and Florida the de facto national championship game.
It took 5 straight NC's before ESPN finally got on board the SEC bandwagon.
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 11:16 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:24 am to Gravitiger
Since when is it not ESPN's job to promote the goings on of the most successful college program in the last 10 years?
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:42 am to Gravitiger
Damn a bunch of sensitive individuals here.... A lot of crying about ESPN and their media biased opinions.... I haven't seen this much crying since Michael died
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:53 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
quote:the Nielson ratings are based on eyeballs, not contracts with a content delivery system like cable. Try again.
I'm sure they are feeling the effects of you not watching, oh that's right,
Me x 1 million = having an effect on them. It takes a village.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:53 am to tduecen
Say what you want but the ESPN bama and USC bias is very very real.
Ive said it before and ill say it again
They pushed bama last year.......dont be surprised when you find out that there is going to be a Crimson Tide Network that ESPN will have the rights to. Much like Texas
Ive said it before and ill say it again
They pushed bama last year.......dont be surprised when you find out that there is going to be a Crimson Tide Network that ESPN will have the rights to. Much like Texas
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/20/12 at 11:59 am to MoreOrLes
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dont be surprised when you find out that there is going to be a Crimson Tide Network that ESPN will have the rights to. Much like Texas
I don't think the SEC would allow this.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:14 pm to MoreOrLes
Tell me more conspiracy theories.... Who shot JFK, where is Roswell, tell me about flying cars
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:20 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
EZE, You fail to appreciate the Gump, er...mindset....
First, the SEC exists in Alabama, for Alabama.
Second, the SEC is great because of Alabama and its 647 national titles (and that's just since the Reformation);
Third, when (not if) Alabama leaves the SEC, it will create it's own network which will dominate the entire Meth-consuming world, leaving the SEC as a moribund, also ran.
Fourth, go check the Bradford Pears in your front yard and see how healthy they look....
Capiche?
First, the SEC exists in Alabama, for Alabama.
Second, the SEC is great because of Alabama and its 647 national titles (and that's just since the Reformation);
Third, when (not if) Alabama leaves the SEC, it will create it's own network which will dominate the entire Meth-consuming world, leaving the SEC as a moribund, also ran.
Fourth, go check the Bradford Pears in your front yard and see how healthy they look....
Capiche?
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:21 pm to tduecen
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I haven't seen this much crying since Michael died
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