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re: Why do so many fans hate on Jeffersons swag?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:22 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:22 am to Topwater Trout
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What is even more amazing is JJ has rushed for 11tds and almost 1,000yds while JL has lost 180 yds and no rush tds.
yet the offense scores more points with JL.....odd
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:22 am to hashtag
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8 dropped passes...
in the 1st half.
He also had some really bad throws his receivers bailed him out on.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:22 am to hashtag
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8 dropped passes...
in the 1st half.
So RR dropped a td against bama and RS dropped a bomb last week? If all those are drops you are saying the 2 examples I listed are also right?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:23 am to Topwater Trout
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What is even more amazing is JJ has rushed for 11tds and almost 1,000yds while JL has lost 180 yds and no rush tds.
that is especially amazing considering that with that extra dimension, we still score 3+ points less with Jefferson starting. His mobility has really helped him get sacked 44 more times and score less points. Awesome.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:24 am to Topwater Trout
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So RR dropped a td against bama and RS dropped a bomb last week? If all those are drops you are saying the 2 examples I listed are also right?
i never denied that JJ had drops. The Kentucky game is the worst game that our WRs have had in several years. It isn't exactly a good game to pick on Lee. The La. Tech game from last year would be a better choice.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:24 am to Tiger Ryno
Why do you hate Shepard?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:24 am to DBG
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I didn't say this. I said he had a role in that basketball analogy
Should he get anywhere near the snaps of lee? Oh no. Does he have a role? Of course
Got ya. I thought you were saying JJ should see the field. My bad
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:24 am to hashtag
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that is especially amazing considering that with that extra dimension, we still score 3+ points less with Jefferson starting. His mobility has really helped him get sacked 44 more times and score less points. Awesome.
Yet based on starts this year JJ is averagin 42 points a game....which is more than 3 pts a game than JL.
We can do this all day
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:26 am to Topwater Trout
I can't wait until next year where all this will be over and won't have to see no Jefferson or Lee threads. It's getting old
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:26 am to hashtag
IMO we should stick to this season when comparing stats considering we have a new OC and a new QB coach. You do Jason Campbell or even TJ Yates from last season no justice if you compare their final seasons to the previous seasons.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:27 am to Tiger Ryno
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Defenses are scared to tackle him.
Kind of the way Western Kentucky defenders were scared to tackle him in the endzone
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:27 am to Topwater Trout
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Yet based on starts this year JJ is averagin 42 points a game....which is more than 3 pts a game than JL.
We can do this all day
Yes. In his one start of the year against a high school team he led our team to less points than we scored against a ranked Auburn, a ranked WVU, and Northwestern State.
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We can do this all day
Indeed we could. But, the facts remain. The offense has been better both years that Lee has been the primary starter compared to both years that JJ was the starter.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:28 am to Topwater Trout
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Yet based on starts this year JJ is averagin 42 points a game....
you do realize an N of one is completely worthless...right?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:30 am to coldhotwings
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IMO we should stick to this season when comparing stats considering we have a new OC and a new QB coach. You do Jason Campbell or even TJ Yates from last season no justice if you compare their final seasons to the previous seasons.
why? Lee had a horrific year in 2008. That year is included in the stats. Yet, it was still better than any year that Jefferson's had. Over the course of 4 seasons, Lee has been better than Jefferson.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:31 am to CptBengal
quote:Who doesn't like stats? I love stats.quote:ruh-roh...JJ fanbois don't like these kind of stats
So, that means that Jefferson had the potential to turn the ball over 34 times to Lee's 27. I guess he doesn't really take care of the ball better.
And, that's not even factoring in that Lee being less mobile has caused him to get sacked 44 less times than Jefferson.
But let's take a look at those stats.
First, your quote of the the post discusses potential for turnovers. Not turnovers. The actual turnovers are the same.
Second, Jefferson has FAR MORE attempts and carries than Lee.
Jefferson had 938 attempts and carries.
Lee has only had 594 attempts and carries.
When you divide the 21 turnovers by the number of plays:
Jefferson has 2.2% turnovers per attempt & carry.
Lee has 3.3% turnovers per attempt & carry.
In other words, Lee is 50% more likely to turn the ball over than Jefferson.
Who doesn't like stats?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:36 am to Tiger Ryno
Jefferson's "swag" irks me because it is completely disproportionate to his on-field accomplishments. If he were throwing for 350 yards a game with multiple TD's, his "swag" would be justified. However, his "swag" was just as evident in games last year where he threw for under 100 yards. That sort if impenetrable oblivion helps JJ in hostile environments like Bryant Denny, but it is almost comical in other settings.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 11:40 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:38 am to just me
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Who doesn't like stats?
Jefferson throws a TD every 19.7 attempts
Lee throws a TD every 17.6 attempts
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:40 am to hashtag
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why? Lee had a horrific year in 2008. That year is included in the stats. Yet, it was still better than any year that Jefferson's had. Over the course of 4 seasons, Lee has been better than Jefferson.
Lee isn't the same QB from 2008 and the same could be said for JJ compared to his previous seasons. If you had a random non-LSU fan sit down and look through JJ's stats through his 4 seasons here, he wouldn't be able to tell that it's the same QB in all 4 seasons. I don't understand how people in the anti-JL crowd could compare 2011 JL to 2008 JL and the anti-JJ crowd compare 2011 JJ to 2010 JJ.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:47 am to coldhotwings
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Lee isn't the same QB from 2008 and the same could be said for JJ compared to his previous seasons. If you had a random non-LSU fan sit down and look through JJ's stats through his 4 seasons here, he wouldn't be able to tell that it's the same QB in all 4 seasons. I don't understand how people in the anti-JL crowd could compare 2011 JL to 2008 JL and the anti-JJ crowd compare 2011 JJ to 2010 JJ.
What I'm saying is that when you compare them collectively, Lee is better. When you compare Lee to JJ this year, Lee is better. When you compare Lee to JJ in one game this year, JJ is better.
I'd rather take the long term better QB than the guy who happened to be marginally better in one game.
and, it is important to include those years because Lee stepped right back into 2008 against Bama this year with his INTs, and JJ stepped right back into 2010 against Western Kentucky with his stupid safety.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 11:52 am to Tiger Ryno
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why do so many fans hate on Jeffersons swag?
I think in reality it's just a couple of guys from Livingston Parish and maybe a Bama fan or two and a ton of alters.
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