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re: Why do people assume Miles wants to run it down people's throats?
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:40 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:40 am to Topwater Trout
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We also, even more inexplicably, give up on what is working.
Kentucky '07
i back miles but i totally agree with that. at least for that game. there were some defensive breakdowns but the charles scott disappearing act was a head scratcher
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:44 am to TDTGodfather
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there were some defensive breakdowns
Yeh that was a very frustrating defensive performance. We refused to blitz. The week after oor before SC sacked UK 7 or 8 times. We jsut let him stand in the pocket and throw it all over the place.
Scott had over 80 yds at half....ran it once in 2nd half
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 10:44 am
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:05 am to Topwater Trout
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Yeh that was a very frustrating defensive performance. We refused to blitz. The week after oor before SC sacked UK 7 or 8 times. We jsut let him stand in the pocket and throw it all over the place.
Scott had over 80 yds at half....ran it once in 2nd hal
i liked pelini, but the guy didn't walk on water. he really did get the benefit of the doubt a lot over miles and the offense. it was flynn and the offense that was great that yr.
in fact, i said last yr that chavis was head and shoulders a better DC than pelini, but this yr made the comment that the chief had some pelini moments that didn't get the benefit of a competent offense to cover it up
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:57 am to TDTGodfather
If he had Stuck with the running game we would have beat Clemson!!! Hill had over 100yrds. in the first half & 2 td's & touched the ball once in the last quarter. Also why doesn't Les have 1 featured running back for most of the carries like Hill? Bama & Fla. sure use their best for at least 1 half.
This post was edited on 1/11/13 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 1/11/13 at 12:07 pm to Slapouttiger
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What's lacking Iis execution and a sense of urgency. I expect for those matters to be cleaned up next season.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 5:37 pm to TDTGodfather
more significant than the #of running plays vs. # of passing plays is the TYPE OF PLAYS that LSU runs. At halftime of one of LSU's mid-late season games, the TV color man showed a LSU play from LSU's previous game. The play was: LSU with 7-man offensive line, 1 WR on each side, QB and 1 RB. Both receivers ran 10 yard hook patterns and BOTH were double-covered. The pass, of course, was incomplete. The announcer then stated that LSU had run this EXACT SAME PLAY 16 times in LSU's previous game. I think that he was trying to say (but was maybe too polite to say so) was that this offense was horrible.
Our passing attack is obviously limited by Mettenberger's lack of pocket awareness and lack of scrambling ability. Also, our WR talent this year was not as good as in years past and the OL has obviously had injuries and problems this year. Although it is understandable to a certain degree that the LSU offensive coaches often employ a "Max Protect" scheme to protect Mettenberger, there are still way too few plays in which LSU splits out 3 or 4 WR's.
In my humble opinion, LSU's offensive mindtrust is even more guilty of ineptitude. Mile still, in terms of running the footbsll, obviously subscribes to the grind-it-out, overpower your opponent, impose your will offensive philosophy. But today's teams, especially in mid to uppper levels of the SEC, are too similar in talent for this approach to work consistently. We did rush for 258 yds. against South Carolina, but this was an exception, albeit a welcome one.
The bottom line: scheme matters! Miles himself explains his throwing the ball at the end of the Clemson game because "there were too many men in the Box". What he refuses to even try is what some of the best college running offenses do on a regular basis- RUN OUT OF THE SPREAD. Oregon, and a lot of other good running teams, have been doing this with success for years. Many may not realize that Oregon's RUSHING offense has been in the top 5 the last 2 years. By using 2,3,4 or even 5 WRs, you are automaticall taking an equal amount of defenders out of the box- by the simple use of a basic formation. How may times have we seen LSU, in short yardage situations, have a 7 or 8 man line, zero or 1 WR and QB, FB, RB. And how many times have u seen us get stuffed?! In most cases, all the defense has to do is key on the fullback and the play is stuffed.
I also heard (not verified) that one of Clemson's defensive coaches said something like this: "LSU's idea of a trick play is a play-action pass".
The bottom line: the old-school mentality of the most effective way to rush the football is to put the most blockers "at the point of attack" may still be effective if u have an overwhelmin talent advantage. However, the last several years have shown (and it makes perfect sense) that "spreading the field" and running thru the gaps is far more effective. Not always, of course, but for the vast majority of situations.
Please Les, please hire an OC that is current and familiar with the more diverse offensive schemes that are prevalent today. GO TIGERS!
Our passing attack is obviously limited by Mettenberger's lack of pocket awareness and lack of scrambling ability. Also, our WR talent this year was not as good as in years past and the OL has obviously had injuries and problems this year. Although it is understandable to a certain degree that the LSU offensive coaches often employ a "Max Protect" scheme to protect Mettenberger, there are still way too few plays in which LSU splits out 3 or 4 WR's.
In my humble opinion, LSU's offensive mindtrust is even more guilty of ineptitude. Mile still, in terms of running the footbsll, obviously subscribes to the grind-it-out, overpower your opponent, impose your will offensive philosophy. But today's teams, especially in mid to uppper levels of the SEC, are too similar in talent for this approach to work consistently. We did rush for 258 yds. against South Carolina, but this was an exception, albeit a welcome one.
The bottom line: scheme matters! Miles himself explains his throwing the ball at the end of the Clemson game because "there were too many men in the Box". What he refuses to even try is what some of the best college running offenses do on a regular basis- RUN OUT OF THE SPREAD. Oregon, and a lot of other good running teams, have been doing this with success for years. Many may not realize that Oregon's RUSHING offense has been in the top 5 the last 2 years. By using 2,3,4 or even 5 WRs, you are automaticall taking an equal amount of defenders out of the box- by the simple use of a basic formation. How may times have we seen LSU, in short yardage situations, have a 7 or 8 man line, zero or 1 WR and QB, FB, RB. And how many times have u seen us get stuffed?! In most cases, all the defense has to do is key on the fullback and the play is stuffed.
I also heard (not verified) that one of Clemson's defensive coaches said something like this: "LSU's idea of a trick play is a play-action pass".
The bottom line: the old-school mentality of the most effective way to rush the football is to put the most blockers "at the point of attack" may still be effective if u have an overwhelmin talent advantage. However, the last several years have shown (and it makes perfect sense) that "spreading the field" and running thru the gaps is far more effective. Not always, of course, but for the vast majority of situations.
Please Les, please hire an OC that is current and familiar with the more diverse offensive schemes that are prevalent today. GO TIGERS!
Posted on 1/12/13 at 6:16 pm to slack691
My complaint is how limited our passing plays are. We run quick slants, curls, and outs. Half the time we run these 4 yard routes when we need 6-10 yards. It's comical at times to see the pass plays we run in regards to the situation. Also, our passing game never seems to flow. Something that a strong running game usually leads to.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 6:54 pm to DrakeLSU
Les had rather Punt it away than fumble it or Int it away and I feel the same way, especially on the road. I feel he will open it up once he can have faith in a QB that will take care of the ball and Zack will have a year under his belt to prove his point and not just put it up to be putting it up, that is when you get into trouble with Les.
I feel this year will be the best chance at opening up the Offense than at any time since 2007 Season. With Zack having a year under his belt will give Les a chance to have faith in him before the meat of the Schedule. I do not think they will have trouble with TCU, that 1st game. That is just me though.
I feel this year will be the best chance at opening up the Offense than at any time since 2007 Season. With Zack having a year under his belt will give Les a chance to have faith in him before the meat of the Schedule. I do not think they will have trouble with TCU, that 1st game. That is just me though.
Posted on 1/12/13 at 6:54 pm to NorthEnd
umm because he does LOL!! Why do some people make moron posts
Posted on 1/12/13 at 7:00 pm to CaseyMc2
Plenty of teams open offenses up for freshmen or 1st yr starting qbs.
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