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re: Why didn't Jordan Jefferson play earlier in the season?
Posted on 12/2/08 at 2:51 pm to LSUfan4444
Posted on 12/2/08 at 2:51 pm to LSUfan4444
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if the qb throws an interception, he should be able to count on one of his 10 teammates to make a tackle
normally yes, but not when the pass is in the flat and it's just him and the defender.
He has to read the defense and see if the play is there...if not he checks off or throws it away or takes a sack.
The 2 picks vs. FU, the 1 vs. UGA, the 1 vs. Tulane, and the should have been one vs. Ole Miss were all in the flat where JL never took his eyes off the receiver...that's 4 picks out of 7 or whatever number it is for TD's that were in the flat and the offense couldn't do anything about.
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Posted on 12/2/08 at 2:54 pm to LSUfan4444
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so, let me get this straight. a lack of time of posession is now not the fault of the offense?
no i said defense kept him off the field...
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haven't seen anyone get as much sympathy as JJ since little Jessica fell down the well
I mean seriously people. In the same thread i read it is Lee's fault his 10 teammates didn't feel like tackling after he threw a pick and now I read JJ is a victim of a lack of offensive time of posession when he is the quarterback running that offense
how is he suppose to make something happen when he can't even get on the field!? you are making a claim that he had 9 yards gained or whatever...but yet....you refuse to look at the reason why...but yet you can sit there and spout about JL's completion percentage
Posted on 12/2/08 at 2:56 pm to LSUfan4444
LSUfan4444
ive never seen someone so opposed to a quarterback when he is in fact our best option...he must have beaten your team in highscool didnt he?
ive never seen someone so opposed to a quarterback when he is in fact our best option...he must have beaten your team in highscool didnt he?
Posted on 12/2/08 at 2:56 pm to bayoutiggah
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but not when the pass is in the flat and it's just him and the defender.
not all of them were in the flat
but, i am not saying Lee shouldn't be faulted for throwing too many picks
the fact that Jefferson is being let off the hook as a victim of a lack of time of posession and not viewed as a direct cause, while at the same time Lee is practicially being blamed for the kennedy assassination and the hiring of Smoke Laval is assinine
Posted on 12/2/08 at 2:58 pm to UpToPar
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ive never seen someone so opposed to a quarterback
i am not opposed to JJ at all
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when he is in fact our best option
that is my opposition
you have no clue what you are talking about
from a previous post in the same thread
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the lovefest for JJ after a game and a half is worse than the lovefest so many saints fans had for pierre thomas last year after 2 games
JJ may be the man, Lee may be the man, right now, if you think you have seen enough to make that decision you are simply delusional and talking out of your arse
you have seen a fraction of what the coaching staff has seen and have a fraction of the actual development.
the only "film" you have seen is maybe watching the games over on your DVR.
you don't know what the primary and secondarys were on each route.
you don't know when a wr was supposed to break in or break out or when his route was broken off.
the fact that anyone can sit there and say definintively that they have seen enough and they know who projects as a better player is an absolute joke.
if you could make that assessment with any kind of credibility or accuracy off of 48 pass attempts from a freshman on maybe 100 total (game) snaps you would be doing it for a living.
so, accept the fact that your definitive judgements are crap and nothing more than your quest to search for something to give your preference some sort of assertion
i am all for playing the best qb. the problem is, jefferson hasn't shown me anything hat Lee didn't showme (to a better degree) in the same time frame
This post was edited on 12/2/08 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:00 pm to bayoutiggah
His complete package =
60% missed on passes
We have 2 other QBs that are better
2.8 yds per carry
We have multiple RBs that are better
ZERO victories
WE have 2 other QBs that have won games against better opponents
I'm missing the upside
So in a nutshell, you would rather lose to the 78th ranked team by 1, than to beat the 52nd ranked team by 9, because you thought the QB looked better.
Thats just plain stupid
60% missed on passes
We have 2 other QBs that are better
2.8 yds per carry
We have multiple RBs that are better
ZERO victories
WE have 2 other QBs that have won games against better opponents
I'm missing the upside
So in a nutshell, you would rather lose to the 78th ranked team by 1, than to beat the 52nd ranked team by 9, because you thought the QB looked better.
Thats just plain stupid
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:02 pm to bayoutiggah
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no i said defense kept him off the field...
how did LSU's defense stop LSU on the drives that LSU had the ball?
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how is he suppose to make something happen when he can't even get on the field!?
he was on the field. the offense couldn't move the ball, so the drives ended
in the entire second half he led LSU to less than 50 total yards
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you are making a claim that he had 9 yards gained or whatever...but yet....you refuse to look at the reason why...
the reason why? i refuse to look at the reason why LSU only gained 9 4th quarter yards and less than 50 in the 2nd half because i am not blaming that on LSU's defense?
i seriously don't even know how to respond? who's fault is it colt david missed the fg's? John Brady?
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:06 pm to LSUfan4444
i have no idea what im talkin about...i dont recall posting in this thread before but ok
the fact is that jefferson has improved in a game and a half more than lee has improved through 8 games and thats not even with takin most of the reps in practice
is it that hard to see who is and will be the better qb in the future..lee has gotten worse while jefferson has improved not to mention the wr look like they actually expect to make a catch when jefferson is in..im sure they would oppose your opinion to who they want throwing them the ball
the fact is that jefferson has improved in a game and a half more than lee has improved through 8 games and thats not even with takin most of the reps in practice
is it that hard to see who is and will be the better qb in the future..lee has gotten worse while jefferson has improved not to mention the wr look like they actually expect to make a catch when jefferson is in..im sure they would oppose your opinion to who they want throwing them the ball
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:07 pm to CP3JR25
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Why didn't Jordan Jefferson play earlier in the season?
I love how people say Jordan Jefferson wasn't ready. JARRETT LEE WAS NEVER READYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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I agree
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:10 pm to LSUfan4444
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the fact that Jefferson is being let off the hook as a victim of a lack of time of posession and not viewed as a direct cause, while at the same time Lee is practicially being blamed for the kennedy assassination and the hiring of Smoke Laval is assinine
I don't see how you can view him as a direct cause when our defense was enabling Arkansas to put together long, methodical drives and our ground game was a shell of its former self. If you watched the game, you can hardly say that his play was in any way egregious despite the lack of production. He threw some bad passes but it's a tough situation to be asked to get a first down on 3rd and long because Scott just ran into a brick wall twice in a row. For what it's worth, Lee has had the same problem at times despite a powerful running game, and though it was more of the fault of Crowton, he turned into an interception machine on 3rd and long.
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:11 pm to RobbBobb
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WE have 2 other QBs that have won games against better opponents
So who was better than Ole Miss and Arky?
Appy State?
North Texas?
Troy?
Tulane?
Miss. State?
Auburn?
None of those...the only teams better than Ole Miss and Arky was Florida and Georgia and Alabama...all LOSES...and if you think otherwise your kidding yourself...though Auburn may have been better than Arky.
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:11 pm to LSUfan4444
dont give me that 9 yard bullshite...that was a direct result of our conservative play calling
here comes the wining oo now its playcalling when lee was in it was all his fault...im sorry but the reason why playcalling wasnt an issue when lee was in is because why? o thats right lee never had us up enough in a game for the coaches to get conservative
you cant run the ball for a total of 2 yards on first and second down and expect a qb to convert on third and long everytime
o and they had one holding penalty that would have resulted in a first down and two dropped passes that would have resulted in first downs all in the 2nd half..hard to move the ball when that happens
here comes the wining oo now its playcalling when lee was in it was all his fault...im sorry but the reason why playcalling wasnt an issue when lee was in is because why? o thats right lee never had us up enough in a game for the coaches to get conservative
you cant run the ball for a total of 2 yards on first and second down and expect a qb to convert on third and long everytime
o and they had one holding penalty that would have resulted in a first down and two dropped passes that would have resulted in first downs all in the 2nd half..hard to move the ball when that happens
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:12 pm to UpToPar
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the fact is that jefferson has improved in a game and a half
this is a myth
after a game and ahalf Lee outplayed JJ in every category
you can't compare them beyond that b/c JJ simplyhasn't reached that point in his career yet. compare apples to apples
after their first game and a half of sec LSU was 2-0 under Lee including a 11 point comeback @ Auburn (a place LSU hadn't won in 10 years) when they were a top 10 team and a home win against Miss State.
under JJ they are 0-2, he is completing less than 50% of his passes, including a loss to arkansas where we put up less than 50 4th quarter yards and less than 9 in the 4th quarter against the worst defense in the SEC
where is this vast improvement for JJ over Lee?
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lee has gotten worse while jefferson has improved
sadly, there will never be a way to compare them fairly unless JJ jas to deal with the same over criticism Lee has had to deal with a heartbreaking loss to the number 1 team int he country
all we can do is judge them from game to game and see how they continue to stack up...right now, after a game an a half...its Lee by MILES!
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:12 pm to The Lone Ranger
How has JJ improved?
The closest comparison that can be made is Auburn vs Ark
LINK
According to power rankings Ark is 72, Aub is 76, both SEC teams, both on the road.
LSU scored 30 on Ark, and lost by 1
LSU scored 26 on Aub, and won by 5
I'd rather win than lose, no matter who the QB is, or how many picks he threw!
The closest comparison that can be made is Auburn vs Ark
LINK
According to power rankings Ark is 72, Aub is 76, both SEC teams, both on the road.
LSU scored 30 on Ark, and lost by 1
LSU scored 26 on Aub, and won by 5
I'd rather win than lose, no matter who the QB is, or how many picks he threw!
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:13 pm to UpToPar
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dont give me that 9 yard bullshite...that was a direct result of our conservative play calling
BINGO! I've said it 3 or 4 times already and still gets ignored.
The DEFENSE kept the offense off the field in the fourth quarter due to their penalties and play. When JJ was able to get on the field he had at most 3 or 4 drives....1 which was in the FINAL MINUTE...the other was a RUN,RUN,DROPPED PASS,PUNT...i said this 3 or 4 post ago but yet 444 refuses to acknowledge it
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:13 pm to UpToPar
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dont give me that 9 yard bullshite.
i know, it sucks when people point outfacts that debunk your opinion
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...that was a direct result of our conservative play calling
and the quarterback we had in the game was a direct cause for our playcalling
JJ wasnot just a victim of the plays that were called but also a reason
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:14 pm to RobbBobb
if the play calling would have remained the same it was in the first half we could have scored 50 on arky but we for some reason get conservative...dont you recall tennessee a few years back?
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:14 pm to bayoutiggah
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...i said this 3 or 4 post ago but yet 444 refuses to acknowledge it
because it is fricking retarded to say that the offense did not move the ball and extend drives (plays and time of posession) soley because of their own defense and not fault the quarterback
This post was edited on 12/2/08 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 12/2/08 at 3:16 pm to LSUfan4444
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after their first game and a half of sec LSU was 2-0 under Lee including a 11 point comeback @ Auburn (a place LSU hadn't won in 10 years) when they were a top 10 team and a home win against Miss State.
under JJ they are 0-2, he is completing less than 50% of his passes, including a loss to arkansas where we put up less than 50 4th quarter yards and less than 9 in the 4th quarter against the worst defense in the SEC
The team has clearly regressed since that time, that was evident even when Lee was still at QB. The Alabama loss signaled a marked decline in overall team performance.
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