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re: Why did we immediately go to 3 wide sets with Etling? Did Cam Take Over?
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:28 pm to AlaTiger
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:28 pm to AlaTiger
For what it's worth, Harris is more comfortable and effective in the shotgun, at least in my experience. Jennings, too.
It will be interesting when the superstar is back and we go I formation 80 percent of the time, while alternating handing off to #7 and running play action with 1 or 2 WRs against MSU.
It will be interesting when the superstar is back and we go I formation 80 percent of the time, while alternating handing off to #7 and running play action with 1 or 2 WRs against MSU.
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Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:36 pm to AlaTiger
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Was this Cam taking the reigns away from Miles in the 2nd quarter? Did Miles take them back in the 2nd half?
I can't say this enough. This is the absolute dumbest shite ever posted on his board.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:36 pm to slackster
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The INT was just two routes:
I can maybe see where Guice is supposed to be a safety valve after chipping the end, but no way Etling, or any quarterback, would have had time to find that read. Jeter just gets owned by the LB on the right side.
Etling still has time to set his feet and throw, both receivers were behind the defense. He just underthrew it.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:37 pm to slackster
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The INT was just two routes:
The pass protection with Jeter getting beaten badly around the edge screwed that play up badly. Etling doesn't have the rocket arm that Harris does, so he needed to throw that ball about a second earlier, but he was resetting his feet after stepping up at that point.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:38 pm to Choctaw
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I can't say this enough. This is the absolute dumbest shite ever posted on his board.
why did he not have a play sheet and wasn't talking just standing there with his arms crossed on the first td drive?
they had the camera on him when a play was about to be sent in
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:41 pm to Jester
Yeah I'm not sure what Dural looked like in coverage but by the time we see him he seems to be behind the defense. In hindsight that would have been a better throw considering the fact Dupre was going to run out of room if you lead him.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:51 pm to slackster
quote:Dural had double coverage, but may have had a step on both.
Yeah I'm not sure what Dural looked like in coverage but by the time we see him he seems to be behind the defense. In hindsight that would have been a better throw considering the fact Dupre was going to run out of room if you lead him.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:51 pm to slackster
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slackster
I have noticed that Harris never steps up into the pocket like a QB should to avoid the back end rush.
Etling did a better job of this. He also just had better pocket awareness to move around, avoid the rush, while still keeping eyes downfield.
There are several passes where BH couldn't plant his feet because of DE pressure coming from the back left or right. All he has to do is step up.
Harris is the far superior raw talent and seems like a smart guy off the field and a good kid. He just doesn't have "it" in pressure situations it appears so far. Etling has only played a shitty opponent, but he showed juuuuust enough to get the start. We need to try something else. Anything else.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 1:57 pm to TheCaterpillar
For instance, take these two plays and compare how both QBs shifted in the pocket from a rush
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ETA:
Although Etling should have hit Guice probably on the bottom of the screen, he still just looks much more comfortable in the pocket with a rush in his face.
> ETA:
Although Etling should have hit Guice probably on the bottom of the screen, he still just looks much more comfortable in the pocket with a rush in his face.
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:07 pm to TigerFanNKaty
quote:Yea I think there were more deep throws 2nd half than the too late to Dupre INT.
I think that play was run with only two wide outs. I'd have to go back and look of course, but I don't think he had another option other that Travin or Dupree.
Kinda busy to look again, but recalled combos on other.
Point was just because QB throws deep, usually doesn't mean there weren't other options, but posters are quick to say that's all the OC calls.
There were some 2nd half short passes to refute that narrative also.
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IE post above?
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:17 pm to SoulGlo
fricktard
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:40 pm to slackster
So it's all execution? If so, there shouldn't be a QB debate.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:45 pm to slackster
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Do you think they practice a different offense with Etling and the 2nd string guy?
No, I think they practice the same plays with the 1's and 2's but don't call the same plays. But you've made valid points backed up with proof. That's all I need.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:46 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I have noticed that Harris never steps up into the pocket like a QB should to avoid the back end rush.
Etling did a better job of this. He also just had better pocket awareness to move around, avoid the rush, while still keeping eyes downfield.
There are several passes where BH couldn't plant his feet because of DE pressure coming from the back left or right. All he has to do is step up.
Yeah that is what I was talking about earlier in the thread. The actual throws - velocity, accuracy, decision to throw to ___ receiver, etc. - are just as good/bad with Harris as they are with Etling. The difference is that Etling is simply smoother. If he had the same mechanics and technique as Harris he'd likely be atrocious, but his mechanics and technique help him overcome any of his raw talent deficiencies. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't see a ton of difference in the execution, play calling, and on the field results. I do see a QB who is essentially a little easier on the eyes though, and he appears to be a vocal leader and that is something this team seems to lack on offense at the moment.
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tling has only played a shitty opponent, but he showed juuuuust enough to get the start. We need to try something else. Anything else.
Fine by me.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 2:52 pm to km
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So it's all execution? If so, there shouldn't be a QB debate.
It's not even an execution thing IMO, but yea, the play calling isn't really different. Perhaps less zone "read" - if we read it at all in the first place. They rolled to the right with Etling and they tend to go left with BH.
I don't believe you'll see many deep out routes with Etling because he doesn't have the arm strength of Harris, but who knows. Otherwise it was a lot of the same stuff. Etling completed a few in a row, which obviously helps. They also seemed more determined to establish the pass early with BH and Etling against JSU, so that type of aggressive play calling isn't the norm in succession, but nonetheless, the plays are largely the same that Brandon gets.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 3:44 pm to slackster
Maybe we should give Brandon Harris some xanax before he goes out there.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 3:52 pm to AlaTiger
Harris had a learning plays issue early on.... Harris probably doesn't know the plays that well
Posted on 9/13/16 at 4:10 pm to AlaTiger
I think in the 1st half, Etling was running the scout team offense. Les made him run the 1st team offense in the second half
Posted on 9/13/16 at 4:45 pm to TheCaterpillar
Not the same. One defender is no longer engaged and is coming full on while the other is still being blocked. No pocket to step up in for Harris.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 5:43 pm to ssgrice
Sorry, I clicked the down vote on accident when I tried to click the up vote. Stupid over-enthusiasm.
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