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re: Why did the clock keep running after our WR went OOB on final drive?

Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:54 pm to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:54 pm to
You've made a much more compelling argument than the other guy. Thanks for actually posting a rule.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:54 pm to
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You remember you said you've never seen it enforced that way?


No, I don't remember saying that actually.
Posted by SECond2none™
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:57 pm to
Hope you learned something today
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:57 pm to
Not from you.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:59 pm to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:05 pm to
I will say though that your links are to older cases and the rule book has been updated since then. I can't find any of that wording you posted in the latest one here. Care to help me out? Not being argumentative, just curious.
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:06 pm to
Ok so we are all clear on this, you are saying the rule for starting the ball on the snap only applies is a ten second runoff is declined?

Where is the NCAA rules book online? Can someone post a link?

Did we ever determine if Auburn got 5 downs in the first half btw?

For once bad officiating went in our favor but doesn't happen often.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:09 pm to
The links are older, but I'm not aware of there being any rule changes in that regard since the latest link. And at the moment, ain't no way I can go through the entire NCAA rulebook but when I get home if I got some time I might try to take a look.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:10 pm to
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Ok so we are all clear on this, you are saying the rule for starting the ball on the snap only applies is a ten second runoff is declined?


No, I'm not talking about that at all. I'm talking about the clock not stopping when Dural went out of bounds, and stating it's because basically it was ruled that his forward progress had been stopped.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:12 pm to
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The links are older, but I'm not aware of there being any rule changes in that regard since the latest link. And at the moment, ain't no way I can go through the entire NCAA rulebook but when I get home if I got some time I might try to take a look.



I tried copying some of the phrases you had, no luck. Tried the looking at the rule numbers by Rule, Section, Article; also no luck. I'm sure it's still in there, but just like college text books, they changed just enough to make you need the new one.
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:15 pm to
Rule 4, Section 1, Article 3:

quote:

Ball Declared Dead ARTICLE 3. A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle or declare it dead: a. When it goes out of bounds other than a kick that scores a field goal after touching the uprights or crossbar; when a ball carrier is out of bounds; or when a ball carrier is so held that his forward progress is stopped. When in question, the ball is dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II).


If the ball becomes dead due to a runners forward progress being stopped then it's the exact same as the runner being tackled in bounds.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:16 pm to
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Ok so we are all clear on this, you are saying the rule for starting the ball on the snap only applies is a ten second runoff is declined?


I'm saying that, yes.
quote:

Where is the NCAA rules book online? Can someone post a link?


Good luck

quote:

Did we ever determine if Auburn got 5 downs in the first half btw?


No, they didn't. ESPN marked a 1st down on what was 3rd and 1.
Posted by Stellyonidas
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:17 pm to
Got a loss too
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

I tried copying some of the phrases you had, no luck. Tried the looking at the rule numbers by Rule, Section, Article; also no luck. I'm sure it's still in there, but just like college text books, they changed just enough to make you need the new one.


Check FR-57 and FR-49.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:28 pm to
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because the rule is the clock stops when the referee signals the play is over, not when the WR is down. There's always a slight delay for that to occur. Again, this happens all the time.


In that case, it should have been zero. There's been a lot of complaining about the "homer scorekeeper", but he definitely stopped it at :01 before the official signaled.

Second question: is clock status reviewable? i.e. could they rule that the ref waited too long to officially signal the play over?
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:28 pm to
You and UP To Par are correct, this is directly addressed on page FR-57.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:35 pm to
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Second question: is clock status reviewable? i.e. could they rule that the ref waited too long to officially signal the play over?


Apparently any egregious clock issues are reviewable. Remember the Kick-6 getting a second put back on the clock?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:38 pm to
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Apparently any egregious clock issues are reviewable. Remember the Kick-6 getting a second put back on the clock?


Yeah, so that makes me think the 1st 4th down play should have been reviewed. It was WAY after he was down that the official signaled the play dead.
Posted by Florida225
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:55 pm to
Instead of everyone quoting the same rules over and over again could we get a Gif of the play in the thread?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

Instead of everyone quoting the same rules over and over again could we get a Gif of the play in the thread?


I'm talking about a different play.
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