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re: Why did Chavis totally abandon the blitz?
Posted on 9/25/11 at 11:02 am to tigerpawl
Posted on 9/25/11 at 11:02 am to tigerpawl
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I noticed this too - especially out in the flats. Uncharacteristic. WVA has better athletes than they get credit for.
This happens when you attempt to strip the ball every play. I'm honestly not worried about the yardage, because it seemed to me Chavis was playing a bend don't break defense (which broke a couple of times) with a team that is just not set up for it. The LSU defensive players seem to thrive on aggressiveness.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 11:13 am to tigerpawl
It wasn't working. The blitz never got through their line and whenever we brought guys into a blitz, they just did that gay volley pass over the blitzers heads for huge yardage. So, he rightfully abandoned it.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 11:20 am to Sev09
Agreed, my question is if your not going to blitz and play cover, then why not add a 6th DB vs. exposing not 1 but 2 LB's in space- not prudent- get another DB in the game and play cover...Anyone? Thoughts?
Posted on 9/25/11 at 11:25 am to Katy Tiger
there is so much fail in this thread it is unreal
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Posted on 9/25/11 at 11:56 am to Drew Orleans
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QB a ton of time was frustrating.
I agree, but it was the game plan. No team can beat you just passing. Every attempt gives you an opportunity for a turnover. Yards after the catch concerned me more than anything. This needs to be fixed and i am sure it will. I think you will see more blitzes when we face bama, ole miss
Posted on 9/25/11 at 12:02 pm to NC_Tigah
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I think when he realized the officials were allowing O-Lineman to tackle blitzers and stunting DL, he thought personnel would be better used in the secondary.
hell yea; and they were literally tackling our wr's too. i know what bumping is but i know what holding is too. i think the officials (sec crew) were bending over backwards not to appear to show favoritism. i think they changed the nature of that game and gave wv a huge advantage thus helping them overcome their match-up discrepancies. i wish we would have had big east officials. i've for letting the boys play but that was ridiculous.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 12:03 pm to LSU GrandDad
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Its simple.
The blitz would have killed us. Chavis knew he was going up against a quick releasing, fast decision making QB, who was accurate enough to hit his athletic WR's in space to make a play.
Counter? Man up. Chavis thought LSU secondary >>> WVU WR's So if Geno Smith threw the ball he had to be pinpoint. Which is why they threw the ball down the field past 15 yards the fewest times all season.
Chavis and the defense basically said, "Go ahead and throw. You better dam well make sure you make the correct read and be dead on accurate or you will pay".
I think for the most part it worked. Also a blitz would open us up for a lot of screen plays, which WVU LOVES to run or a draw play.
yup
Posted on 9/25/11 at 12:12 pm to tigerpawl
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The passing D has me concerned. Of course WVA had 65 attempts. But that's a lot of yards to give up (463). It seems that the blitz was working in Q1. And then it just went away and never came back. Never have I seen a QB with more time to throw. Where was the pressure? Where did the blitz go?
Smith was sipping coffee and getting his nails done back there.
Well this gameplan call was probably Miles' idea since Chavis lives and dies by the blitz but it was a good one IMO. If you put 5 wide out there, there obviously has to be assignments for the 5 recievers. They had thrown the most screens in the NCAA comming into this game (Somewhere in the 70's) so if we blitz 1 or 2 and they throw the screen, it goes for 10+ everytime..plus they also throw alot of slants and when you blitz your giving up the middle..Miles went into this game thinking we are going to let Geno make the mistakes and give him nothing over the top..and all it ended up doing was giving Geno a great stat line and an LSU victory...I'll take that every single week.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 12:13 pm to kadillak
what is concerning about this is chavis defenses get torched every year by these kinds of offenses. think ole miss last year, think cam. chavis is old school and hasn't caught up with these guys. we did shut down oregon with 5 months to prepare. thank goodness we don't see anymore of this.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 12:24 pm to Larry Hollins
being a wvu fan.
if any of you that are "ranting" were that much better..it would be you in chavis's place
chavis is a very good D coord. he lost to uf because ut didn't really have the ability to contain nor cover florida at that time.
wvu's wr's are good enough to hold their own, especially austin..and geno is a good enough qb that if you dont' get pressure on him..well he will find them sooner or later. wvu's oline play, played their best game of the season. the previous 3 games we looked liked a bowl with 28 holes drilled into it trying to contain water.
buy your O co-ord. a beer or two. i called those pay action passes from here in tn..when my eers were selling out to stop the run, your guy had the right call..put it right over the heads of the defense.
if any of you that are "ranting" were that much better..it would be you in chavis's place
chavis is a very good D coord. he lost to uf because ut didn't really have the ability to contain nor cover florida at that time.
wvu's wr's are good enough to hold their own, especially austin..and geno is a good enough qb that if you dont' get pressure on him..well he will find them sooner or later. wvu's oline play, played their best game of the season. the previous 3 games we looked liked a bowl with 28 holes drilled into it trying to contain water.
buy your O co-ord. a beer or two. i called those pay action passes from here in tn..when my eers were selling out to stop the run, your guy had the right call..put it right over the heads of the defense.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 12:43 pm to ice750
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chavis is a very good D coord. he lost to uf because ut didn't really have the ability to contain nor cover florida at that time. wvu's wr's are good enough to hold their own, especially austin..and geno is a good enough qb that if you dont' get pressure on him..well he will find them sooner or later. wvu's oline play, played their best game of the season. the previous 3 games we looked liked a bowl with 28 holes drilled into it trying to contain water.
The ranters here do not remember a guy named Cam Newton. LSU braintrust realized it was better to contain Smith and let him nibble away with dinks than to chase him all over the field and let him create plays from broken structure. I give full credit to LSU coaches for sticking to their strategy when the dominence plan did not work. Smith was too good at getting rid of the ball quickly to put much meaningful pressure on.
How many times did we sack Deron Thomas (once)... I heard several opinions that Smith was superior in skill to Thomas and I agree with that. WVU has a better passing game that the Ducks but Oregon can run the ball. What was confusing was WVU pass blocked quite well but their running game sucked completely.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 12:52 pm to Larry Hollins
Give a little credit to Smith and WVU coaches. Ithink they found teir identity last night. Look for Smith to put it up 50+ times a game now.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 2:59 pm to amarti9
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Its simple.
The blitz would have killed us. Chavis knew he was going up against a quick releasing, fast decision making QB, who was accurate enough to hit his athletic WR's in space to make a play.
Counter? Man up. Chavis thought LSU secondary >>> WVU WR's So if Geno Smith threw the ball he had to be pinpoint. Which is why they threw the ball down the field past 15 yards the fewest times all season.
Chavis and the defense basically said, "Go ahead and throw. You better dam well make sure you make the correct read and be dead on accurate or you will pay".
After abandoning the zone blitz (to stop the big plays and keep it in front of the defense and give them a chance to get turnovers) the "plan" was to let WV get their yards and make them pay
Some of you think they "dinked us" to the point of "insanity"
It was a brilliant, "outside the box" game plan by Chavis that will serve as a CLASSIC EXAMPLE of how to deal with and defeat a PURE PASSING ATTACK ... Remember, there are so few of these types of attacks (Gimmick offenses) in America. The reason for this is clear. They don't beat the BEST TEAMS with better athletes. Proven is the balance attack with good game management and NO TURNOVERS
Posted on 9/25/11 at 4:07 pm to tigerpawl
Like Les said after the game, the biggest problem with the defense last night was that they had an off night tackling runners in space. Not likely that they will have another poor tackling game like that. Claiborne was especially off his feed last night, the touchdown return notwithstanding. I predict right now no one else will come close to that kind of yardage the rest of the year. First of all they will not face a better QB or group of receivers and that goes for the Hogs too. Watching the game in the stadium, the WVU offensive team speed looked to rival that of Oregon. And Smith will play on Sundays very soon.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 4:10 pm to Jcorye1
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The LSU defensive players seem to thrive on aggressiveness.
Agree. I felt Chavis should allow the defense to play to it's natural tendency. The obvious plan was to hold lanes when rushing which made it easy for WVU's linemen to hold the rush. LSU played containment which seems to go against the personnel's natural tendency.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 4:50 pm to tigerpawl
We gave up about 500 passing to az state in 06.
Some believe that is LM;s best team ever here.
Just saying.
Some believe that is LM;s best team ever here.
Just saying.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 5:36 pm to ForeLSU
quote:There's so much damn ignorance in this thread I haven't even bothered to reply to anything yet.
You people crack me up, do you honestly believe that al and fl will completely abandon their style of offense in favor of the holgorson spread for one week when they play LSU? I guess Saban will abandon their run game with Richardson and Lacey so that AJ can throw 50 WR screens.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 5:38 pm to TIGERTANK59
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It was a brilliant, "outside the box" game plan by Chavis that will serve as a CLASSIC EXAMPLE of how to deal with and defeat a PURE PASSING ATTACK ... Remember, there are so few of these types of attacks (Gimmick offenses) in America. The reason for this is clear. They don't beat the BEST TEAMS with better athletes. Proven is the balance attack with good game management and NO TURNOVERS
/thread
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:33 pm to USMCTiger03
I think most Tiger fans are just frustrated as the game plane was not fun to watch. It is much more fun to watch our defense attack, but the scheme was smart. It created 4 turnovers, and stopped the big play. Oh, and there is the little thing about winning by 26 points.
Posted on 9/25/11 at 7:40 pm to TIGERTANK59
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Remember, there are so few of these types of attacks (Gimmick offenses) in America. The reason for this is clear. They don't beat the BEST TEAMS with better athletes.
just imagine what a coach like holgorsen could do with athletes like LSU has..
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