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re: Why are so many now complaining about the lack of running game?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 9:57 am to tigerinthebayou
Posted on 9/16/19 at 9:57 am to tigerinthebayou
Because we need to run the ball. Saints can't run either.
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Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:02 am to tigerinthebayou
love the new offense and what they are doing, not even worried about the running game.... opposing teams will drop into zone with 5 in the box and we will start rushing for 200 yds a game.. we are just taking what the defense is giving us... plain and simple... they are testing Burrow and he is making them pay... its an RPO, the defense dictates what we do... if the offense starts to sputter its because of exotic blitzes where they disquise where it comes from... Sean payton says the same things...
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:04 am to tigerinthebayou
The offense is better. That much is clearly not in dispute.
But why is it so hard for some people to wrap their heads around a simple observation? The running game has been bad. Offenses are optimal when they are BALANCED. Balanced doesn't mean equal run to pass ratio, or averaging the same amount of yards through the air and on the ground. It means being effective in both phases.
If you can't do better than averaging 3.7 yards per carry (or whatever it was) against the likes of Northwestern State, then that doesn't bode well for what to expect against teams like Alabama and Auburn. I think we can beat Auburn, and I think we can score against Alabama... But I don't think you beat Bama with no run game. You make it too predictable that way.
So it is on the offensive line to get a lot better.
But why is it so hard for some people to wrap their heads around a simple observation? The running game has been bad. Offenses are optimal when they are BALANCED. Balanced doesn't mean equal run to pass ratio, or averaging the same amount of yards through the air and on the ground. It means being effective in both phases.
If you can't do better than averaging 3.7 yards per carry (or whatever it was) against the likes of Northwestern State, then that doesn't bode well for what to expect against teams like Alabama and Auburn. I think we can beat Auburn, and I think we can score against Alabama... But I don't think you beat Bama with no run game. You make it too predictable that way.
So it is on the offensive line to get a lot better.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:14 am to Metaloctopus
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Offenses are optimal when they are BALANCED
Says who? It's a cliche and often coach speak but an offense is truly optimal when you utilize your best playmakers and take what the defense gives you. When and if a team shuts down our passing game if we still cant run then it will be concerning. But in order to shut down our passing game a defense would have to commit more people to doing so which would then open up the running game.
CEH ran the ball well against Texas. There's nothing wrong with 15 carries for 87 yards.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:15 am to Fat Bastard
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the pass game will open up run game later WHEN we want/need to run in tougher matchups.
O is focusing mainly now on having a lights out pass game. smart choice by him. we were spread run first with matt like gus and CUm and now we are a spread pass first O.
If you don't do something well in the easier games you won't do it in the tougher games. Our OL has had trouble controlling the LOS. Moreso in the run game, but NSU was getting some pressure on Burrow. Vs the Florida DL he wont have near as much time to sit back there and go through his progressions.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:26 am to Jim Rockford
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If you don't do something well in the easier games you won't do it in the tougher games.
No team we've played has stopped the passing game. What if they took the prove it to me approach and said we are gonna stop the LSU running game and make LSU prove this new passing game is for real? Against the best team we played CEH had 15 carries for 87 yards. That shows we can run if needed but will still play to our strength until you stop it.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:29 am to tigerinthebayou
quote:The concern is the lack of push we get with the run.
Why are so many now complaining about the lack of running game?
We saw this with the Saints a lot, until they got Ingram. Cruise up and down the field in the air, but once you get inside the 10, there's less room to pass. You have to run. And we're fighting to punch it in against NW State.
The goal is to finish drives, not just rack up 500 yds offense.
The running game has to get better.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:30 am to tigerinthebayou
I want to be balanced...400 yds passing and 400 yds rushing
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:31 am to tigerinthebayou
quote:Or, you're inside the red zone, and there's less rom to run the routes.
But in order to shut down our passing game a defense would have to commit more people to doing so which would then open up the running game.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:39 am to tigerinthebayou
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People this is what the majority of us have wanted to see out of an LSU offense for the last decade
What we wanted to see was a fully functioning, balanced attack that could bear teams via the ground and air.
I love what I’ve seen the first few weeks from Burrow and the receivers. It we have really struggles to love the ball on the ground and that is a bit of a concern given what we face in SEC play.
It would be nice to know that if JB is having an off day, we can still move the ball and score.
What is of concern is that it looks like we are still a one dimensional offense. It’s just the passing game that works now rather than the running game.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:41 am to tigerinthebayou
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But why do you say that's not going to cut it when we are averaging 50 points a game
Do you honestly think we will keep that pace all year?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:41 am to Jim Rockford
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If you don't do something well in the easier games you won't do it in the tougher games.
that is why we are PASSING NOW!
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:42 am to tigerinthebayou
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I'm not worried about being balanced.
Its not about being balanced. Its about having an effective running game regardless if we run the ball 15 times per game or 25 times. We're not going to hang 50 points on everybody in SEC play. Its doesn't matter how well Burrow plays... We're going to need the run game to thrive at some point this season.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:44 am to tigerinthebayou
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By why is there this belief that balanced= better.
Because one dimensional teams don’t win championships.
I’d we aren’t able to run the ball effectively, all it takes is one off game from Joe or the receivers to knock us out of the SECCG and the playoffs
Again, I hav no problem with the new philosophy but the running game is bad right now and if it doesn’t get fixed it will likely cost us dearly at some point.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:45 am to memphis tiger
A team must be multi dimensional in offense to win NCs.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:47 am to tigerinthebayou
We want a balanced offense that can attack at all fronts. In the past we have been 1 dimensional in relying on the run and not having a passing game. That worked until we played against a team that had a big D-line that could stop the run. People are worried because when we play against a team that has good defensive backs, we will be screwed because we won't have a running game to mix in.
I think it's a fair concern to have. We'll need to be multi-dimensional to beat the big guys. I'm not so sure we are there yet...though I think we have potential to get there, just hopefully that will happen before we play Florida.
I think it's a fair concern to have. We'll need to be multi-dimensional to beat the big guys. I'm not so sure we are there yet...though I think we have potential to get there, just hopefully that will happen before we play Florida.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:47 am to tigerinthebayou
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It's a cliche and often coach speak but an offense is truly optimal when you utilize your best playmakers and take what the defense gives you
True and if a defense sells out to stop the pass and gives you the run, a BALLANCED offense will take advantage.
We’ve seen nothing yet that makes me think we will be able to do that.
As someone mentioned earlier balance doesn’t mean 50/50 split. It means being able to do both effectively based on what the defense gives you.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:00 am to memphis tiger
Again, the offense is fantastic passing in the open field. But you get into Goal to go situations, you can't stretch the field with WRs everywhere. Gotta be able to run effectively, by means other than Burrow rolling out and running to an open lane. Those lanes won't be there against the better teams on the schedule. And 3 trips inside the 10 against the big boys, I want 21 or 17 pts, not 9. That's the type of thing that gets you beat.
Price looks to be the most effective back in that spot.
Price looks to be the most effective back in that spot.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:07 am to Woodreaux
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Last week it was the defense.
This week it's the running game.
I think next week, we'll get upset about special-teams: probably kick-offs going out of bounds... when the Tigers are up by 3 scores.
Probably the waterboy's choice is LSU polo too.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 11:09 am to tigerinthebayou
Because at some point, a better crew of DBs or a better Dline will cause issues for this new throwing offense. Plus, at some point you have to run the ball for clock management and ball control.
Against TX, O said they felt like a one possession lead was enough with 4 plus mins left so they went and scored. Probably a combo of wanting another score and knowing they couldn't run the ball effectively
Against TX, O said they felt like a one possession lead was enough with 4 plus mins left so they went and scored. Probably a combo of wanting another score and knowing they couldn't run the ball effectively
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