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re: Who will admit O has exceeded expectations and is an upgrade from Les?

Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:12 am to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:12 am to
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If I say there's a good chance of rain based on the fact that the radar shows rain coming toward the area, am I clairvoyant?


It's adorable that you think this is an analogy that holds water.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:13 am to
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It's adorable that you think this is an analogy that holds water.


You're special. It's spot on.

What's your prediction for the offense next year? Better? Worse? Same?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:15 am to
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If you dont think O is an upgrade over miles


He's better than 2014-2016 Les Miles. He's not as good as 2005-2013 Les miles.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:16 am to
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It's spot on


What radar app are you using to predict the offense?

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What's your prediction for the offense next year? Better? Worse? Same?


It needs to be better. But I don't pretend to know what the future holds, so I'm not going to say what I think it will be. I don't have access to your radar app.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:16 am to
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He's better than 2014-2016 Les Miles


based on...
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:24 am to
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What radar app are you using to predict the offense?


One of the most experienced squads in the country returning

Huge upgrades at RB

Implementation of spread concepts

QB who appears to be gelling with offense.

Why wouldn't anyone believe the offense would be improved?

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But I don't pretend to know what the future holds


You would have to be a curmudgeon and a contrarian to not think the offense would be improved.
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 10:26 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:25 am to
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He's better than 2014-2016 Les Miles
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based on...


Record. Wins/losses Little things like that.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:26 am to
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Beating Bama tat home was incredibly lucky. The Reid INT could have easily gone the other way. Wing's punt hitting the camera wire and ending up going major distance was extremely lucky.

I have to disagree with you here. I was at that game. Our defense won that game. Not incredible luck. Both teams got breaks here and there. LSU and Miles were not incredibly lucky that game.

And every Bama fan I talked to walking to the car afterward said they were outplayed, no mention of LSU luck winning.

And just for shits and giggles, how does a punt hitting a camera wire propel if farther? Not being a smart arse, but I would think science would say it slowed it down. This is the first I'm hearing of it propelling it further.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:27 am to
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One of the most experienced squads in the country returning

Huge upgrades at RB

Implementation of spread concepts

QB who appears to be gelling with offense.

Why wouldn't anyone believe the offense would be improved?


Well LSU has certainly never been in this position before... cough cough 2017 cough
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:27 am to
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Basically had 4 favored teams lose the last two weeks that were ranked over us


This is not correct so let’s set the record straight. LSU was #1 before losing to Arkansas the last regular season game and after that we did fall to 7 in the BCS but we were 5 in the AP. Remember the BCS and computers only count what happened so far. We won the SEC West so did have another game against a ranked opponent. 2 of the teams ahead of us in the BCS Kansas and UGA did not win their division so they were done. After winning the SEC CG it was clear we’d move ahead of those 2. Kansas was behind us in the human polls already. Another team ahead of us was Va Tech who had the same record and did win their conference but we beat them by 41, so there’s no reason we should have been behind them to begin with obviously we were moving ahead of them That’s a worst case scenario of 4 after winning the SEC. Ohio St was done but at 11-1 and BIG Champs no way were passing them so that leaves 2 teams we needed to lose in order to get into the BCS CG, #1 Missouri was playing OU who had beaten them by 10 already and were favored in that game, so there was good chance they would lose which leaves WVU playing unranked 4-7 Pitt. That appeared to be the obstacle, they were heavy favorites of course so that required a massive upset along the lines of say Iowa St beating Oklahoma St, for us to get in.

2 loses was unprecedented but then again everyone had 2 loses that year going into to the bowls except Ohio St, Kansas and Hawaii and it was obvious LSU was better than Kansas and Hawaii I
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 10:29 am
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:27 am to
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Record. Wins/losses Little things like that.


So glad this was your reasoning...

In Les's last full year, he only had 3 losses. We've already established that losses are equal across years, so don't bothering arguing who they were to or by how much. So he's already equal to 0's best year.

In 2016, he was fired after going 2-2. But looking at how terrible the remaining schedule was, there is no rational argument you could make that Les wouldn't have finished with at least the same number of wins as interim 0 did. In fact, you could make a strong case that Les beats UF. So still equal there.

So that leaves us with 2014 which was disappointing, sure. But 2017 was equally disappointing even though it had one more win since 2 of the losses were unprecedented.
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 10:28 am
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:27 am to
maybe we made the Miles firing a little to soon? We should have let the 2016 season play out to see if Miles still had it in him to be the coach he was pre 2012. We started 2016 2-2, had lost a lot of games the last half of the 2015 season, had a 8-5 2014 season, hadn't had a season in the top 10 since 2011. Who is to say though that Miles wouldn't have gotton the program back to those great seasons like we had from 2003-2011.
To me all indications were that the program wouldn't have been righted and they acted proactively in firing Miles before the bottom totally fell out. Some maybe would argue that it was to soon.
However since Orgeron has arrived he did get the program back into the top 10 and the out look looks a lot better than it did at that time under MIles. How far Orgeron can get us remains to be seen
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:27 am to
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Our defense won that game. Not incredible luck


Agree

LSU wanted it more and made the plays when it mattered. A great win, no luck involved.
Posted by Old
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:29 am to
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Yep 2019 will go a long way in determining the direction of the program IMO. The Texas game in particular is a litmus test. Alabama will be the other.
TEXAS is far more important!
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 10:31 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:30 am to
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So glad this was your reasoning...

In Les's last full year, he only had 3 losses.


Coming off an 8-5 season, and continuing into 2016 he lost 5 of 9.

His record over that span was 19-10

So I'm glad I chose that criteria too
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:30 am to
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LSU wanted it more and made the plays when it mattered. A great win, no luck involved.


And I will add, substituting QB's messed up Saban's gameplan. That wasn't luck either. They hadn't prepared for Jefferson to play at all and it showed.

The problem was, Les took that one instance, and applied it to the rest of the season. He refused to realize that once a team knew who was playing QB, they would prepare accordingly. They got it right the second time, after Les showed his hand.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:31 am to
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Coming off an 8-5 season, and continuing into 2016 he lost 5 of 9.

His record over that span was 19-10

So I'm glad I chose that criteria too


Yea, I wouldn't touch the rest of my post either if I was you. I'd hope no one reads it too.

ETA: And again, you try to cherry pick the very worst of Les to say 0 is better. I should certainly hope he is, since we fired Les. But even then, it's not a slam dunk that 0 is better than Les's worse, so what exactly is your point?
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 10:33 am
Posted by Old
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:32 am to
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And I will add, substituting QB's messed up Saban's gameplan. That wasn't luck either. They hadn't prepared for Jefferson to play at all and it showed.
That is absolutely correct!
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 10:32 am
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:34 am to
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We've already established that losses are equal across years, so don't bothering arguing who they were to or by how much.

Do you believe SEC losses carry more weight than out of conference losses?

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 10:34 am to
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And I will add, substituting QB's messed up Saban's gameplan. That wasn't luck either. They hadn't prepared for Jefferson to play at all and it showed.



This is definitely a huge part of it, but we caught some huge lucky breaks in that game. And one could say Saban being totally unprepared is pretty lucky too, since that usually isn't the case.

The bottom line is the 2011 team had some breaks, just like any other team that is a high achiever. Luck is part of achieving greatness.
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