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re: Who will admit O has exceeded expectations and is an upgrade from Les?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:22 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:22 pm to bencoleman
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You started wanting to compare 5 of les seasons to 3 of Os seasons.
Then just compare the first 3 of Les to the first 3 of 0. Oh, you don't like that one? Nvm. Guess you'll just have to wait for a 3 year window that does what you need it to do.
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Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:24 pm to RB10
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How long does Orgeron need before he can start being compared to other coaches
Whatever you would give any other coach that took over a new program. You don't think he deserves that cushion I do.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:25 pm to bencoleman
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You started wanting to compare 5 of les seasons to 3 of Os seasons
That's why I just used Les' last three seasons: 2, 5, 2
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When O has 5 seasons we'll take a look
Why can't we just judge what O has done over his three years? I thought he was doing so well, why don't you tout his objective, measurable successes and improvements?
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You won't be around because you will have been laughed off the board by then.
I won't be going anywhere. I already said that if O wins the SEC or a NC I'd request a stickied thread for anyone to rip on me to the fullest extent possible.
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There's a pretty good chance that I won't be around either
That's bad news and I hope the best for you outside of your opinions on LSU's football coaching situation
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:26 pm to bencoleman
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Whatever you would give any other coach that took over a new program. You don't think he deserves that cushion I do.
So, 3 seasons.
What exactly are you melting about then?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:27 pm to RedTigerRulz
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He DID NOT win enough hardware given the amount of talent and level of recruiting classes he brought in. To me this still constitutes underachieving.
That’s because you are acting like LSU is the only team and only Les Miles effects games.
The shitty thing is he has at least 2 if not 3 titles if not for Saban going to Alabama
The 2006 was talented and certainly good enough to win a title but guess what, so was Florida and we played a hen on the road. All 4 of our road SEC games were against teams that finished ranked and were all in the top 10 when we played. That’s brutal, going 11-2 isn’t underachieving.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:30 pm to RB10
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What exactly are you melting about then
Not melting. Just sometimes get tired of the dumbfricks on this board. I just wonder if they ever get tired of being dumbfricks.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:30 pm to bencoleman
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Not melting.
Oh ok.
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Just sometimes get tired of the dumbfricks on this board. I just wonder if they ever get tired of being dumbfricks.
This is a melt.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:31 pm to bencoleman
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Not melting. Just sometimes get tired of the dumbfricks on this board. I just wonder if they ever get tired of being dumbfricks.
Is it possible that you're a dumbfrick?
Serious question; is it possible that you're on the wrong end of this? Maybe others have a better idea of what they're looking at than you do. You were certainly way off last year in regards to what this program was going to be.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:37 pm to Goldrush25
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it possible that you're a dumbfrick?
Serious question; is it possible that you're on the wrong end of this? Maybe others have a better idea of what they're looking at than you do. You were certainly way off last year in regards to what this program was going to be
It is very well possible. I highly doubt it though. I was off somewhat with where the football team was but not that far off. I'd certainly rather be on the positive side of things than having to argue everyday that Les teams were better than Os and having to bring up 29-0, troy, and whatever else I could think of on a daily basis. I'm looking at this recruiting class and other things that are going on and I feel safe thinking that I'm in the right. I'd hate like hell being in the position of trying to shite on the team right now.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:39 pm to bencoleman
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rather be on the positive side of things than having to argue everyday that Les teams were better than Os and having to bring up 29-0, troy, and whatever else I could think of on a daily basis.
The only reason those things get brought up is people like you acting like they don't exist. It's the people that share your view point starting these threads.
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:41 pm to radicalizedtigah
When Les left he was not near the coach that O is now . That’s the point to be made .
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:42 pm to LNCHBOX
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You realize half of Saban's championship come from equal amounts of pure luck, right?
Maybe, but Saban never lost 2 games and won anything of consequence.
I wouldn't trade that NC for anything, but lets not pretend our fortunes were in our hands to get to that game.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:44 pm to rilesrick
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When Les left he was not near the coach that O is now . That’s the point to be made .
Just so we're on the same page, the comparison you want to make is Les at his worst vs 0 at his very best?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:44 pm to lsu2006
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O is a HUGE upgrade from the Les Miles that was fired.
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Explain
It wasn't just the fact we were losing more, it was the manor in which we were losing. Often times embarrassing. Les was fired because he accomplished the absolute bare minimum with the amount of talent he had. Did you even watch the games? Literally anybody would have been an upgrade.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:46 pm to reauxl tigers
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It wasn't just the fact we were losing more, it was the manor in which we were losing.
Like losing to Troy? Or scoring a total of ZERO points in two home games against Bama?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:47 pm to LNCHBOX
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Just so we're on the same page, the comparison you want to make is Les at his worst vs 0 at his very best?
It's comical
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:47 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Maybe, but Saban never lost 2 games and won anything of consequence.
If the wind was blowing a different direction in 2011, no championship.
If Chavis doesn't do Chavis things in 2012, no championship then.
If Auburn doesn't shite the bed in '17, no championship.
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I wouldn't trade that NC for anything, but lets not pretend our fortunes were in our hands to get to that game.
Same thing for Saban. You don't get to ignore that just because you don't like Les.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:49 pm to Damone
quote:It's pretty clear that some of you didn't watch a single game in 2018. should have been only 2 losses and our first 11 win season since 2011 if not for the bullshite fluke of a game @ A&M. If you actually watch the product on the field, it's clear as day that the quality of football is improved since Les was booted.
Basically the identical record in 2015 as the "awesome" season O had in 2018. Is the program still in decline?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:50 pm to reauxl tigers
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It's pretty clear that some of you didn't watch a single game in 2018. should have been only 2 losses and our first 11 win season since 2011 if not for the bullshite fluke of a game @ A&M.
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If you actually watch the product on the field, it's clear as day that the quality of football is improved since Les was booted.
Too bad that there is basically nothing you can point to to back that up besides you saying so.Posted on 4/30/19 at 1:51 pm to reauxl tigers
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It wasn't just the fact we were losing more, it was the manor in which we were losing. Often times embarrassing. Les was fired because he accomplished the absolute bare minimum with the amount of talent he had. Did you even watch the games? Literally anybody would have been an upgrade.
The masses here believe it was strictly wins and losses, but that's never the case when evaluating college coaches. The problem for Les was that he slipped into a three to three+ loss coach and everyone knew every year that the missing link was QB. His classes were top 5 and he was loaded at most every position - except QB. He couldn't recruit an SEC-caliber QB in that offense and he refused to change. All that did was perpetuate the rut that he fell into. Had LSU not made the change, they'd still be a 3+ loss team searching for a QB to get them over the hump.
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