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re: Who is LSU’s QB coach? TE coach?
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:15 pm to nolatiger711
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:15 pm to nolatiger711
Which they were allowed to do because they were considered to be superior alternatives to Steve Ensminger.
I'm pulling for him, but there is no other major CFB program which would bet on him to be their OC or QBs coach. None. Ed Orgeron in the only human being on earth making that decision.
I'm pulling for him, but there is no other major CFB program which would bet on him to be their OC or QBs coach. None. Ed Orgeron in the only human being on earth making that decision.
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:22 pm to username20
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What QBs have we developed in Ensminger's 7 year tenure at LSU?
How many yrs of those 7 has E been the QB coach? None
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:25 pm to nolatiger711
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Or option 3: the OC wanted to coach their own QBs
Ensminger has been involved in the offensive game planning. Krag getting parkinsons was first up then cam with cancer. Steve helped, or didnt help much. how ever you want to look at it.
Doesnt matter at this point. If it doesn work, he and O will be the scapegoats and both will never coach at LSU again.
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:31 pm to username20
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Also, the poster cited a quarterback from 1992 as evidence that he can coach quarterbacks in 2018.
Ensminger has 15* years of experience with the title of Qb Coach (was QB coach at Auburn for the 2nd half of the 2008 season and was QB coach at LSU for the last 2/3 of the 2016 season) and has coached QBs as recently as 2008. He has been an active college offensive coach for over 30 years. Is it your opinion that he has no knowledge of college offenses since 1992?
This post was edited on 1/23/18 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:35 pm to nolatiger711
So Miles held LSU back by not using Ensmingers?
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:38 pm to lsufball19
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Is it your opinion that he has no knowledge of college offenses since 1992?
No knowledge? Is that the standard we want here?
Is he optimal to coach QBs in 2018 at a major college football program?
Is he the top half of QBs coaches?
quote:This is supposed to be an argument in favor of him as a QBs coach?
has coached QBs as recently as 2008
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:47 pm to username20
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No knowledge? Is that the standard we want here?
Alabama just promoted a position coach to OC. Notre Dam just promoted their DL coach to DC. Penn State just promoted their TEs coach to OC. South Carolina just promoted their WRs coach to OC. Ohio State, last year, hired a QBs coach to be their OC. Oklahoma promoted their OC to HC and their WR coach to OC last year.
So what exact "standard" are you referring to? Because there certainly isn't a standard that says position coaches shouldn't be promoted to OCs
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Is he optimal to coach QBs in 2018 at a major college football program?
sure, possibly
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Is he the top half of QBs coaches?
again, possibly
This post was edited on 1/23/18 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:52 pm to lsufball19
All of those have demonstrated success and proficiency in their specialty and unit and have been recruited by other programs because of it.
LSU's TEs have been underperforming, LSU's offense has been historically bad despite generational talent at RB.
There is literally NOTHING that points to this being a good idea... besides he and the HC are homeboys.
LSU's TEs have been underperforming, LSU's offense has been historically bad despite generational talent at RB.
There is literally NOTHING that points to this being a good idea... besides he and the HC are homeboys.
Posted on 1/23/18 at 12:56 pm to Jack Daniel
Recruiting has been the problem with QB's at LSU until very very recently. We really have no idea how well any were developed because if you don't have the skill a QB coach can only do so much.
Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:06 pm to username20
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All of those have demonstrated success and proficiency in their specialty and unit and have been recruited by other programs because of it.
Ensminger has been employed by 5 P5 programs.
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LSU's TEs have been underperforming,
no they haven't. Les did not utilize TEs in his offenses, but you do realize that Foster Moreau led the team in TDs and was 2nd on the team in receptions this year right? Ensminger was not in control of the offense or playcalling, so how do you expect him to call plays for TEs? Underperforming is not the same thing as underutilized. Our TEs have blocked well and done well when their number was called to catch a pass
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LSU's offense has been historically bad despite generational talent at RB.
how is that Ensminger's fault?
This post was edited on 1/23/18 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:09 pm to lsufball19
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how is that Ensminger's fault?
uh, because he's an offensive coach.
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Underperforming is not the same thing as underutilized. Our TEs have blocked well and done well when their number was called to catch a pass
Our TE production and player development has been GARBAGE. How many LSU TEs are draft prospects?
This post was edited on 1/23/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:17 pm to username20
two position groups fight for the worst at LSU.
Who's worse? the quarterbacks or the tight ends? Both have been atrocious over the past 10 years.
any of that Ensminger's fault?
Who's worse? the quarterbacks or the tight ends? Both have been atrocious over the past 10 years.
any of that Ensminger's fault?
Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:22 pm to username20
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uh, because he's an offensive coach.
It's the TE coach's fault that the offense didn't perform?
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Our TE production and player development has been GARBAGE. How many LSU TEs are draft prospects?
LSU TEs have not been prospects because TEs in today's NFL catch a lot of passes. Les' offenses were not built like that. Les wanted TEs that were an extra OL. Case in point, Dillon Gordon. He played TE for us and has now been an NFL OL the past 2 years. Again, how Les and Cam Cameron, as well as Matt Canada, chose to use TEs in their offenses was out of Ensminger's control. But to say that our TE development was garbage is ignorant.
Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:39 pm to Jack Daniel
Ensminger for qb,, the offensive line guy for te back to recruiting : )
Posted on 1/23/18 at 1:39 pm to Geauxst Writer
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Dude, Ensminger was a QB and has coached QB's like Eric Zeir of Georgia, and will be the QB coach at LSU.
That does not instill confidence. He's coached one good QB his entire career yet he's supposed to all of a sudden help LSU out of this QB hell hole?
Posted on 1/23/18 at 2:56 pm to Datbayoubengal
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He's coached one good QB his entire career
Check my earlier post. Since joining P5 schools he has coached 6 QBs. 2 were 1st rounders. They set career passing yard records at Clemson twice, Texas A&M, Georgia, and the SEC. The 5th one was 2nd at Auburn. Two had undefeated seasons at aTm and Auburn. If you credit Etling to him, then he only has one other meh QB ever coached which was at aTm. Even that meh QB led aTm to a Big 12 championship and BCS bowl.
I would say he has had more success coaching QBs than not by a far. Auburn, aTm, Georgia, Clemson, and the SEC had ever seen a QB with as many passing yards until he came around.
He coaching QBs makes a lot more sense than O being a HC.
Posted on 1/23/18 at 10:33 pm to lsufball19
quote:how about dead last in the SEC in TE put into the NFL? LAST. The only position group at LSU to not produce a pro.
to say that our TE development was garbage is ignorant.
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Case in point, Dillon Gordon. He played TE for us and has now been an NFL OL the past 2 years
That's all you got to defend a decade of TEs. One 330 pound practice squad guard.
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LSU TEs have not been prospects because TEs in today's NFL catch a lot of passes.
False. LSU TEs have not been prospects because they have been abominable.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:01 am to nolatiger711
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Check my earlier post. Since joining P5 schools he has coached 6 QBs. 2 were 1st rounders. They set career passing yard records at Clemson twice, Texas A&M, Georgia, and the SEC. The 5th one was 2nd at Auburn. Two had undefeated seasons at aTm and Auburn. If you credit Etling to him, then he only has one other meh QB ever coached which was at aTm. Even that meh QB led aTm to a Big 12 championship and BCS bowl.
I would say he has had more success coaching QBs than not by a far. Auburn, aTm, Georgia, Clemson, and the SEC had ever seen a QB with as many passing yards until he came around.
He coaching QBs makes a lot more sense than O being a HC.
I've read his bio and saw who he coached. Stop crediting him for Campbell who actually did worse the year he coached him, and better before and after Ensminger (if you're following, that's at least 3 different QB coaches). He didn't coach up Etling either. Etling had already been here over a year with Cam before Ensminger called a play in 2016. It's kinda funny that in a new offense (Canada), with less experienced pass catchers, Etling did better in every statistical category. If you are going to credit anybody for Etling, it should be Canada.
Corey Pullig was already playing well before Ensminger got there. As a matter of fact his QB rating was the highest in his career the year BEFORE Ensminger got there. He then regressed again his senior year.
Nealon Greene, had already played for 3 years at Clemson, it's no wonder he was the career passing leader. Ensminger didn't do that.
Woodrow Dantzler was the backup, and barely played the only year Ensminger was there with him. Bolding career passing leader, like Ensminger had something to do with it, is nonsense.
You are just like all the idiots who give O credit for shite he didn't do. If Ensminger was a good QB coach, he would have never been forced to be a TE coach, and would have never stayed a TE coach.
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