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re: Where are all the "it's not the offense it's injuries/execution" posters
Posted on 2/11/13 at 10:55 pm to LSUTil_iDie
Posted on 2/11/13 at 10:55 pm to LSUTil_iDie
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Which is why a change was made. Last year was a culmination of shitty playcalling, lack of execution and injuries and we still finished 10-2. You can't really point to one specific thing and say, "That's the reason." I think had 2011 not happened the way it did Miles would have made a change a lot sooner
Probably so. The offense, though the stats were not super in 2011..was decent vs average or below competition. Against UGA and Bama it was awful. I think 13 wins kept Miles from making a change.
I think he knew he had to make a change this year. He's not as dense as some people make him out to be and saw the struggles we saw. I'm confident we will see some improvement.
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Posted on 2/11/13 at 10:56 pm to Fat Bastard
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which shows how stupid and clueless you are NOOBIE.
I know you are butt hurt, but when you act like a baffoon that happens.
Wait, I hear them calling for you on the Saints board. They are missing their pet.
This post was edited on 2/11/13 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 2/11/13 at 11:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm confident we will see some improvement.
I agree. Hopefully CC is getting a head start with Mett and tweaking the playbook.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 8:47 am to Roi.Trois.Faulk
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The other feature that needs to be upgraded is getting the tight ends and running backs more involved in the passing game. That has been a poor part of this passing attack. Alabama has done a good job getting TE's and backs more involved in the passing game. DeSean Smith has the physical skills to take that position to another level. He's that good.
it's hard to starcase the tight ends when the basic plays are off taackle dives. the tight ends are espected to block, not run down field routes cross the middle.the backs are there to run the ball, not catch balls out of the backfield. well, also to block on options to the short side of the field. Cameron became available in the middle of a playoff stretch for faulty playcalling, and refusing to open up the offense and let Flacco shine. sound familiar ? one thing is for sure, he will be on the same page with miles from the beginning.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 9:17 am to LSU Groupee
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LSU Groupee
head back to the shallow end of the pool noob. This water is too deep for you.
This post was edited on 2/12/13 at 9:35 am
Posted on 2/12/13 at 9:27 am to ForeLSU
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I've destroyed this argument once and left 90% of the rant laughing at you, out of the goodness of my heart I won't do it again...
so field position did not help the O in 2011?
You saying it can not be counted just because 2006 had similar FP?
You have not destroyed a damn thing. All you threw out was some made up BS you were called out on concerning FP. You then had to correct it and then you threw out offensive efficiency/scoring. oh wow. none of that changes what i stated.
You trying to tell me the D and ST did not score a boatload of points???
You saying the turnovers created does not give the offense more chances?
I'll bet you also believe the 8 3 and outs(this year) was strictly execution right? or the 7 3 and outs the year before in the SECCG?
just like the running into 8 and 9 man fronts?
just like throwing short routes against squatting DB's?
you still think we had a good offensive ranking yardage wise?
You are clearly one of the 4 roger was talking about in this thread.
:rotflmao:
This post was edited on 2/12/13 at 9:53 am
Posted on 2/12/13 at 9:39 am to ForeLSU
still waiting pal.
let's take it one issue at a time since i know you cannot answer all those questions i posed to you above for obvious reasons.
True or False:
The D and ST helped the offense(points, TO's= creates more offensive chances prevents other team from running more clock and maybe scoring, and even FP, regardless what the FP was in 2006)
If you say true then you just cut off your nose to spite your face and all your BS is dead in the water and there will be no need to continue.
let's take it one issue at a time since i know you cannot answer all those questions i posed to you above for obvious reasons.
True or False:
The D and ST helped the offense(points, TO's= creates more offensive chances prevents other team from running more clock and maybe scoring, and even FP, regardless what the FP was in 2006)
If you say true then you just cut off your nose to spite your face and all your BS is dead in the water and there will be no need to continue.
This post was edited on 2/12/13 at 9:55 am
Posted on 2/12/13 at 10:05 am to Fat Bastard
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You have not destroyed a damn thing. All you threw out was some made up BS you were called out on concerning FP. You then had to correct it and then you threw out offensive efficiency/scoring. oh wow. none of that changes what i stated.
I think you've got me confused with someone else...all I did was post a series of stats that showed a comparison of the benefits of field position for the 2011 and 2006 teams. The differences were negligible, particularly taken in the context of changes where kickoffs occur. I never said that 2011 didn't benefit from great field position. But to conclude that was the primary factor in 2011's offensive production is a conclusion without basis.
Go back and look at the thread
As far as your other questions...all those things were problems this year, which is why I've said multiple times that the offense this year as a tactical mess. I am very happy a change was made at offensive coordinator...
Posted on 2/12/13 at 10:14 am to Fat Bastard
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still waiting pal.
sorry I didn't have auto alerts for this thread enabled. I'm still waiting on a list of posters I asked you to provide yesterday who have stated that the offense has been great and a change didn't need to be made.
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The D and ST helped the offense(points, TO's= creates more offensive chances prevents other team from running more clock and maybe scoring, and even FP, regardless what the FP was in 2006)
true, turnover margin and special team play are big keys for most every successful team. But somehow you're convinced that 2011 benefitted from these things 3x more than other top teams do. I've never stated that 2011 was a great offense, but considering the circumstances (Shady's, Kragthorpe) they were pretty productive.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 10:20 am to ForeLSU
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I've never stated that 2011 was a great offense, but considering the circumstances (Shady's, Kragthorpe) they were pretty productive.
The big difference between 2011 and 2012 is red zone efficiency. The 2011 team got great field position and cashed in on those chances. The 2012 team settled for FG's.
That's a minor change that would have a huge effect on the scoreboard.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 10:55 am to Fat Bastard
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Still have your panties in a wad, bro.
Everyone knows the LSU offense has been dropping turds on the field at times.
You are not scooping anyone, saints fan.
The idea you think you are makes me at you.
Go back to your saints board and leave LSU alone. As a saints fan, you have enough of your own shite dropping all over the dome to keep you busy.
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head back to the shallow end of the pool noob
Still have your panties in a wad, bro.
Everyone knows the LSU offense has been dropping turds on the field at times.
You are not scooping anyone, saints fan.
The idea you think you are makes me
at you. Go back to your saints board and leave LSU alone. As a saints fan, you have enough of your own shite dropping all over the dome to keep you busy.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 10:57 am to Fat Bastard
quote:You seemed to have sidestep this one, while calling out ForeLSU.
still waiting pal.
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Fat Bastard
yep, they scored a ton of points and went all year long with TONS of turnovers which gave them tons of opportunities on offense as well.
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Mayhawman
2011 had 6 TDs on 30 TOs, yet 2003 defense scored 7 TDs on 33 TOs. 2011 had less total return yds than 2003 also.
Are you similarly disgusted with the 2003 offense that scored less total points and offensive TDs, with all that ST and defensive help?
2011 and 2003 each lost a game, but only one of those losses was to an unranked team. How do you feel about that?
Don't let your 1-9-12 butthurt get in the way of objectivity.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:02 am to Mayhawman
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2011 had 6 TDs on 30 TOs, yet 2003 defense scored 7 TDs on 33 TOs. 2011 had less total return yds than 2003 also.
Are you similarly disgusted with the 2003 offense that scored less toital points and offensive TDs, with all that ST and defensive help?
2011 and 2003 each lost a game, but only one of those losses was to an unranked team. How do you feel about that?
Don't let your 1-9-12 butthurt get in the way of objectivity.
Stop using 2011 in a defense of Miles. He was forced to start a QB who he didnt want to, and replaced him as soon as he threw his 1st int
We saw in the SECCG and the BCS game what the offense Miles wanted truly looked like. When asked why JJ played the whole game, Miles commented that it was only fair. WTF? Miles 2011 offense was one that he was forced to run, not wanted to run
Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:04 am to League Champs
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and replaced him as soon as he threw his 1st int
Or third. And his second in one game, both of which were horrible INTs. But its okay, no need to actually get the numbers right.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:07 am to League Champs
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We saw in the SECCG and the BCS game what the offense Miles wanted truly looked like. When asked why JJ played the whole game, Miles commented that it was only fair. WTF? Miles 2011 offense was one that he was forced to run, not wanted to run
Crazy how that Arkansas game was the best offensive game of the season. My guess is that's the type of success Miles wanted the offense to have.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:10 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Or third. And his second in one game, both of which were horrible INTs. But its okay, no need to actually get the numbers right.
actually he replaced him after the first int vs Bama, but put him back in in the 2nd half and he threw another on the first play.
I think Miles knew the probability was high that LSU would have to play Bama again and thought he couldn't beat them with Lee. Correct, or not, he did have some basis for that assumption. Where he failed was in thinking it would be a slug-fest like the November game was, when what he should have done is throw something at Bama they weren't expecting.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 11:18 am to League Champs
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He was forced to start a QB who he didnt want to, and replaced him as soon as he threw his 1st int
You are a clueless frick and don't know shite about LSU football.
Jarrett threw his first int against Miss St and continued to start 6 more games.
Get over your Lee butt hurt and move the frick on.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 12:05 pm to League Champs
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When asked why JJ played the whole game, Miles commented
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Jefferson's final three regular season games were LSU's most productive games in 2011 for total yards and yards per play.[6] In all three games, LSU gained over 450 yards; LSU had gained over 450 yards only once in the prior nine games.[6] Jefferson had a perfect game passing against Ole Miss, and he passed for over 200 yards against Arkansas. LSU averaged nearly 10 points more per game and nearly doubled the rushing yards when Jefferson started as QB. Jefferson finished the regular season with a passer rating of 163.5, highest among SEC starting QBs.[6] Of LSU's final three regular season opponents, one-third of the opponents were ranked in the Top 25 at the end of the season.
Yep, commented a Wiki quote. That's what I was told by a friend who's close to the guy who shines CLM's shoes.
Posted on 2/12/13 at 12:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Probably so. The offense, though the stats were not super in 2011..was decent vs average or below competition. Against UGA and Bama it was awful. I think 13 wins kept Miles from making a change.
I think he knew he had to make a change this year. He's not as dense as some people make him out to be and saw the struggles we saw. I'm confident we will see some improvement.
To make significant coaching changes after that 2011 season would have been unprecedented. That whole season was unprecedented up until the BCS Championship. Then that was too, just on the wrong side.
My point isn't only that the season was so fantastic that you don't make a change, but that you can't make significant changes to your coaching staff every season and expect to be successful. You hire a guy, and he gets a chance to prove that he is who you think he is.
I support giving coaches (HC, OC, DC) 2-3 years, barring absolutely horrendous results. And we simply have not had horrendous results, I can't imagine anyone feels that we have.
ETA: And to clear up any questions, the fact that I know! we have not had horrendous results does not infer I think we have had great ones. We don't have to be at one extreme or the other.
This post was edited on 2/12/13 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 2/12/13 at 12:25 pm to TexasTiger1185
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And we simply have not had horrendous results, I can't imagine anyone feels that we have.
League Chumps, Fat Bastard <------These guys.
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