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re: when you think about coach cam, the offense.....
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:11 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:11 pm to Ace Midnight
miles wants a heavy dose of running the ball. we easily could have passed the ball 30+ times the 2 games before moo state. miles won't do it until it is proven (via a couple of losses) that running the ball is not going to win games. we have know for 6 months what this year's personnel would be. coaches should be prepared for this. they are not prepared for this.
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:12 pm to Mr6daveyobrians
Look guys the reason cc don't open up his play book is because LES has it in his back pocket. He give him his play book which has about 15 plays in it. The first 12 are runs up the middle. Then you have one screen pass that never works. Nex comes a pass to the side lines that we lose yards on. Last comes a bomb to you know how down the right side lines and he is double covered . My question is why does LES recruit , read qption qb's and force them to run the power I, BIG TEN crap. I'll tell you , its because all the big time qb's coming from high school have seen the LES offense and know he don't like to throw the ball. They want no part of the big ten 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. so get gets what is left and makes them hand off the ball. ITS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE. Is not CC doing this, look back and count how many oc's have either left on their own or been let go because Les won't take the heat for his own MICKEY MOUSE offense!
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:36 pm to JustSouthofInsanity
First of all, I believe that Cam is seriously simplifying the play calling due to his not trusting the QBs to make reads.
Also, I truly believe that one of Les' biggest mistakes with JJ back in that day is that JJ was a great practice QB but didn't trust his own re4ads at gametime. This might also be happening with Jennings. He might not be totally trusting his reads and that will always result in throwing the ball too late because the ball pretty much be in the air at the same time that the receiver ei9ther is making his cut or the defender is pealing off of the target receiver when handing him off in zone.
The biggest issue that I believe is hurting the passing game is that the QBs do not trust the receivers to...
1)protect the ball from defenders
2)run the route tree exactly how the QB sees it needing to be run.
The result is two fold as well...
1) the QB will not throw the ball early enough.
2) The OC will not allow the rec's to run those route trees very often instead opting for a simple route which is only sometimes open as opposed to almost always open.
There are so many other things involved in this but I will just leave it at that.
Also, I truly believe that one of Les' biggest mistakes with JJ back in that day is that JJ was a great practice QB but didn't trust his own re4ads at gametime. This might also be happening with Jennings. He might not be totally trusting his reads and that will always result in throwing the ball too late because the ball pretty much be in the air at the same time that the receiver ei9ther is making his cut or the defender is pealing off of the target receiver when handing him off in zone.
The biggest issue that I believe is hurting the passing game is that the QBs do not trust the receivers to...
1)protect the ball from defenders
2)run the route tree exactly how the QB sees it needing to be run.
The result is two fold as well...
1) the QB will not throw the ball early enough.
2) The OC will not allow the rec's to run those route trees very often instead opting for a simple route which is only sometimes open as opposed to almost always open.
There are so many other things involved in this but I will just leave it at that.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:55 pm to TigerStripes30
quote:We had a real QB last year that could do whatever LM/CC wanted. We don't this year. LM wanted his QB's that can run real fast. He's got em now, so he has to sink or swim with what he wanted. He's made his bed and has to lay in it. If this thing goes south, there should be no sorrow or remorse shown for him. He got what he wanted.
The offense ive seen this year vs last year is night and day...what happened to all the crossing routes and things that when ran this year they have worked...seems like we run the ball or throw deep
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:56 pm to JustSouthofInsanity
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I'm a pretty strong believer that the offensive clock management issues are because CC has to get the play approved through CLM before sending it to the QB.
you have no evidence of this. none. I have great difficulty believing that CC has to get every play oked.
Cam tried a number of plays in the MSU game that simply did not work; most due to poor execution. the half back pass early on was a winner. imo, LSU just didn't do enough of these kind of plays and shordt passes to the perimeter to keep MSU's front 7 honest. our reverses don't work because of penetration and penetration is because we miss blocks. we need slant ins, passes to the RB's and TE's in the flats; things that require the LB's to pay attention to the perimeter. maybe we could run the ball then.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 2:00 pm to LSU GrandDad
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you have no evidence of this. none. I have great difficulty believing that CC has to get every play oked.
Agree - just hard to believe this is the case.
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Cam tried a number of plays in the MSU game that simply did not work; most due to poor execution. the half back pass early on was a winner. imo, LSU just didn't do enough of these kind of plays and shordt passes to the perimeter to keep MSU's front 7 honest. our reverses don't work because of penetration and penetration is because we miss blocks. we need slant ins, passes to the RB's and TE's in the flats; things that require the LB's to pay attention to the perimeter. maybe we could run the ball then.
Yep. Big mystery why we seemingly have forfeited the TE in the passing game. From what Risher said last post-game, we use a very simple route-tree.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 2:47 pm to AlwysATgr
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Big mystery why we seemingly have forfeited the TE in the passing game.
I think Smith can run routes, but can't catch. Dickson can catch, but not run routes/get separation. Quite a conundrum, as neither are very good at run blocking, so Gordon is in for most early down plays.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 2:51 pm to sjmabry
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Les has his hands on the offense.
He's the fricking head coach, of course his hands are on it.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:17 pm to Ace Midnight
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Smith can run routes, but can't catch
I don't think this is accurate. He dropped A pass. All I ever recall reading about Desean was he could catch.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:41 pm to UnAnon
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So who do you want throwing all over the yard.
Our true sophomore QB with 4 starts now or our true freshmen QB who barely looks like he weighs 190.
Question, now that it's been found out that we can't run worth a crap, how do we win games?
We have to pass all over now, there is no other choice. We should have been practicing this shite against SHSU and ULM. We have young QBs, yet they throw it 18 times in one game, and 20 times in another. Now that we we need the passing game to step up, we are scared for the younger guys to throw it.
Well, we have to now, or we lose without even going down with a fight.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:43 pm to JustSouthofInsanity
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First let me say I'm a pretty strong believer that the offensive clock management issues are because CC has to get the play approved through CLM before sending it to the QB.
Where do you people come up with this shite?
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:45 pm to goatman1419
Other schols have played Freshmen quarterbacks and been successful, reasons given for ours not playing full time are a bunch of crappola.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:49 pm to Hat Tricks
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Where do you people come up with this %$#&?
The performance observed on the field kinda fuels the imagination.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 4:13 pm to sjmabry
LSU will be a power running team with Les at the helm, and I'm not opposed to that. Les played OL and coached the OL and TE positions. He will always have the run first mentality. Cam has coached QBs and WR, and has been a very successful OC. However, he understands what his boss wants to do, and he helps build a game plan that is agreed upon by Les. If this were solely Cam's offense, it would be different.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 4:23 pm to Boomtown
quote:Cam is known for throwing to Tight Ends; Les is know for not throwing to tight ends. Sound similar? We clearly are not running Cam's offense or we'd be throwing to te's and rb's.
Cam has always run a very similar offense to Miles.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 4:25 pm to JustSouthofInsanity
I believe in Bigfoot. he's real man. made a movie about him.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 5:31 pm to LSU GrandDad
I am frustrated as hell wit Les Miles right now. How can he not see what is going on around him. Why can't he recruit QBs? How can he not see the teams around him getting better offensively by spreading people out, running misdirection and counters instead of power I? I just don't get it, how can he be this fricking dense?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 6:45 pm to dagotiger
Other schools in the SEC?? UMM no. Name last successful true freshman to start in the SEC then re read your statement. When I say successful I'm comparing it to the rants expectations. I'll hang up and listen
Posted on 9/27/14 at 1:00 pm to goatman1419
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Other schools in the SEC?? UMM no. Name last successful true freshman to start in the SEC then re read your statement.
We have Cam's hand picked #3 DT QB who also is touted by George Whitfield as being the best in the class and ready to start and win against the best in the field. But you don't want to start him in the
5th game where we are 6 TD favorites because it would break a precedent in the SEC? You want to keep watching the #14 Pro-style guy who is 0-1 in 1 SEC start vs an unranked SEC team get blown away while the gunslinger sits on the bench? Care to elaborate on why this "straw man" argument makes sense to you? By the way that loss to an unranked Moo State bunch of 2 and 3 stars with a modern offense emptied 70,000 people out of the stands with the first Night Game loss in 45 games for Miles except to #1 FLA (09) and ALA 2012. If we had had a mobile QB that ALA game was ours. We do now and we don't use him. We had the #1 DT QB Russell Sheperd and never used him either.
Posted on 9/27/14 at 1:03 pm to JustSouthofInsanity
Cam and Less.....What's the difference?
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