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re: What’s the outlook on LSU Softball this year?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:14 pm to The First Cut
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:14 pm to The First Cut
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Yep, write her off because she was unable to pull the team to championship level as a true freshman.
I understand she was just a freshman, but to be fair, she came here as the NUMBER TWO recruit in the country, and lets try to be honest, she didn't show a hint of that. Not a hint.
Btw, my pick for breakout player of the year is Raeleen Gutierrez, especially if she put a little more weight on her 5'10" frame to go with an otherwise very decent left handed swing and a better than average glove at first base.
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 8:08 pm to H newman
quote:this isn't football... the best players are in California, Arizona, Texas, Florida... even Oklahoma has only 1 player on its 2024 roster from Oklahoma.
She needs to recruit the home state first.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:56 pm to H newman
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Beth is one of those coaches that think real talent is found everywhere but Louisiana. She needs to recruit the home state first.
This is one of the most uninformed posts I've ever read on this site. Softball isn't football. If she only recruited Louisiana, you know who we would be? ULL or McNeese. And yes, I know we lost to ULL in the regional. But they will never sniff OKC with their roster full of Louisiana kids. The high level players are not in this state. At least Beth gives us a chance to compete nationally with the talent she brings here. What she may or may not do with it is another argument for another thread.
Almost all of the in-state "blue-chip" players she has brought in have underperformed. The only legit, super-stud Louisiana player we have had in the last decade was Bailey Landry. The list of disappointments is much longer.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:39 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Oklahoma coach isn’t available to take over LSU so I guess it’s more of same.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 7:37 am to Le Tenia
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Besides Clearwater tourney there’s not much on the ooc weekend schedule.
We play in the premier tournament and play the following teams. Softball "fans" on the board are completely ignorant:
San Diego State twice (2023 Super Regionals)
McNeese twice (2023 Regional Finalists)
Texas (2023 Super Regionals)
ULL twice (2023 Super Regionals)
Liberty thrice (2023 Regional Finalists)
In that premier tournament we play 3 more 2023 Super Regional teams, making it 6 of the 8 teams - but there's not much on the ooc schedule.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 7:56 am
Posted on 2/3/24 at 11:14 am to Directional Tiger
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feel like the opposite is true. She gets great recruits and then squanders their talent. As a former pitcher, her pitchers have been mediocre. Their offense was a little improved last year, but overall they generally under perform at the plate. The decline of the softball program has been gradual, but consistent.
Thanks for the insight. She hasn’t won a single conference championship in what 12 or 13 seasons? And it’s been years since she took us to the WCWS. As you said, the decline has been consistent. There are many who say she isn’t going anywhere but I can’t understand that when we aren’t even competing for championships, conference or national. Seems unlike the model Woodward is trying to establish among coaches.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 11:58 am to LSU NO Tigah
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Thanks for the insight. She hasn’t won a single conference championship in what 12 or 13 seasons? And it’s been years since she took us to the WCWS. As you said, the decline has been consistent.
This is a fair criticism. I’m not going to cut anybody down but those in this thread and elsewhere defending Torina at all costs say: “Look at all those WCWS!” By the same logic, Les Miles defenders in 2015-2016 could say “But he won a NC in 2007!”
We’ve invested in facilities, recruiting, coaches’ salaries etc. to the level of at the least, a top ten program and likely a top five. We are getting a top 20-25 team that lately can’t get out of a regional.
“We’re too young!” Beth said about three years ago when the team had experience, but then the veteran team the next year couldn’t go anywhere. And objectively speaking, that was so pathetic sounding when Beth said after the regional last year:
“I’ll make sure they don’t put ULL in our regional again!”
Beth’s excuses have long since been wearing thin.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 7:41 pm to timlan2057
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timlan2057
You are a boring bitch. LSU continues to compete at the highest level, if you want off - bye bitch.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 7:58 pm to The First Cut
Softball hasn't competed at the highest level since 2017. If you are content with a coach getting paid a top 10 salary in the country but not getting results, idk what to tell you man.
Having high expectations of teams in this athletic department with this athletic director should be the norm now. Period.
Having high expectations of teams in this athletic department with this athletic director should be the norm now. Period.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 9:42 am to GeauxRed3581
Who do you want as coach? Before you say Gasso there is less than zero % chance she will ever step foot at LSU!!! So name names??? Can the program do better? Yes, you don’t think BT knows that? It’s harder than ever to get to WS, more talent means more teams than can compete…Walton is a great coach and he is struggling. I remind everyone on here there are only 2 SEC teams to win the WS and only 3 WS total…it’s really hard…
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 9:43 am
Posted on 2/4/24 at 10:54 am to Casualobserver1985
If you scroll back one page on this thread you will see that I have already said, there is no Mulkey hire (No you cannot pay Gasso enough to leave) so there is no easy fix at least not one that isn't going to cost millions of dollars in buyouts and new contract money.
Let's run this down:
2015-2017 Made the WS and was competitive
2018 Lost an away Super to eventual NC Florida State
2019 Lost an away Super in 2 games
2020 Covid (granted they did look very good for that month)
2021 Lost a home Super in 2 games
2022 Lost an away Regional in 2 games
2023 Lost a home Regional to UL
Other than an up 2021, that is a marked decline in just the ending to the season much less any of the actual stats over those years. Meanwhile in that same time frame you have teams like OU, Arizona, Alabama, Washington, UCLA, Oklahoma State who are all consistently in OKC year in and year out so while yes it is very hard, it is not impossible to stay at the top of the sport over time. LSU still has some of the top facilities in the country, a top 10 highest paid coach, a fan base that travels, support from boosters and the athletic department even before Woodward got here and to top it all off the LSU brand behind them that has seen a meteoric rise over the last couple years. There is no reason to be content with declining performance. It's not my job to find the next Patty, it's Scott's. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have high expectations of the team, and his ability to find a coach that can at least keep us competitive at the highest level.
Let's run this down:
2015-2017 Made the WS and was competitive
2018 Lost an away Super to eventual NC Florida State
2019 Lost an away Super in 2 games
2020 Covid (granted they did look very good for that month)
2021 Lost a home Super in 2 games
2022 Lost an away Regional in 2 games
2023 Lost a home Regional to UL
Other than an up 2021, that is a marked decline in just the ending to the season much less any of the actual stats over those years. Meanwhile in that same time frame you have teams like OU, Arizona, Alabama, Washington, UCLA, Oklahoma State who are all consistently in OKC year in and year out so while yes it is very hard, it is not impossible to stay at the top of the sport over time. LSU still has some of the top facilities in the country, a top 10 highest paid coach, a fan base that travels, support from boosters and the athletic department even before Woodward got here and to top it all off the LSU brand behind them that has seen a meteoric rise over the last couple years. There is no reason to be content with declining performance. It's not my job to find the next Patty, it's Scott's. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have high expectations of the team, and his ability to find a coach that can at least keep us competitive at the highest level.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:07 am to GeauxRed3581
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There is no reason to be content with declining performance. It's not my job to find the next Patty, it's Scott's. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have high expectations of the team, and his ability to find a coach that can at least keep us competitive at the highest level.
Exactly. This “who would you replace her with?!!?” was said of Miles 2014-2016. The parallels never stop.
Regarding LSU softball and Torina, we’ve seen a big enough sample size that the old saying applies: “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”
And as far as expectations? I’ve said this before. I won’t even say “X-number of national championships.” This program should be making OKC about one-third to one-half the time. That’s reasonable with the investment made. Do that and NCs will take care of themselves.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:37 am to timlan2057
BT has made the WS more than 1/3 of the time
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:39 am to GeauxRed3581
Arizona? The same Arizona that didn’t make a regional last yr? You do realize that Candrea didn’t make the WS from 2011-2018 right? You guys would have fired him in 2015
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 11:42 am
Posted on 2/4/24 at 12:13 pm to timlan2057
What’s funny is some on here want a natty then are ok with 8-5 or worse for yrs like football is in the middle of
Posted on 2/4/24 at 12:14 pm to Casualobserver1985
quote:Difference being, football has some and is in the conversation.
What’s funny is some on here want a natty then are ok with 8-5 or worse for yrs like football is in the middle of
Posted on 2/4/24 at 1:18 pm to Quatrepot
Just curious where was the program before BT?
Posted on 2/4/24 at 1:26 pm to Casualobserver1985
Oh the Mike Candrea who had 8 National Championships by then? What exactly has BT done over the last 12 almost 13 seasons that would afford her anywhere near the same level of benefit of the doubt?
Beth is a good coach. I have never said anything close to the opposite, but sometimes a change has to be made. You want a Jo Evans (23 years, 3 WS apps) or Connie Clark (21 years, 5 WS apps) situation? Good on you, I don't.
Beth is a good coach. I have never said anything close to the opposite, but sometimes a change has to be made. You want a Jo Evans (23 years, 3 WS apps) or Connie Clark (21 years, 5 WS apps) situation? Good on you, I don't.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 2:32 pm to LSUGrad9295
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If she only recruited Louisiana, you know who we would be? ULL
wrong. see below.
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But they will never sniff OKC with their roster full of Louisiana kids.
This is one of the most uninformed posts I've ever read on this site
only 4 LA kids on this roster out of 21. they recruit nationwide. how is that FULL of LA kids??? what is full of? a majority? 4 is far from a majority.
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mcneese has 27 players and 7 from LA. mcneese has been making NCAA tourney 6 out last 8 years. definitely more LA kids than ULL but they have a good team.
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 2/4/24 at 4:04 pm to GeauxRed3581
when beth could not win a natty with hoover and walljasper for 3 years straight especially when we could not win big with big hitters like Bell and landry and jaquish? that told me plenty and i called it and stated as much back then.
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 4:24 pm
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