re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?

he takes any slight said against Saban and makes it sound like Saban did nothing at lsu.

it the dumbest shite ever.

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Well that's the pot calling the kettle black.

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dukkev is the dumbest thing I've ever encountered in life.

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Nice way to cherry pick leaving out

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I learned from the masters of cherry picking on the rant, but the point was LSU football was a damn sight better off for Saban in 2000 than it would have been if he had come in 1995. No sane person is going to deny that Saban isnt a great coach, but the Alabama Saban is a better coach then the LSU saban.

Paul was before my time, but did he have three top five teams in a row and win 78% of his games at LSU?

The LSU goat is Les.

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but the Alabama Saban is a better coach then the LSU saban.

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4 natties in 7 years in the era when D1 schools are permitted to retain only 85 scholarship players on their rosters compared to 95-105 in previous eras and when the players are athletically better than years' past, one of the ALL-TIME great accomplishments in sports history LEHGO!

Not true at all if wedve hired a top level coach we'd be right with Bama over the last decade. We had a 7 year head start on them if wedve hired a top level coach instead of Miles you guys would still be chasing us.

ONE quick title would be a hell of a start (Within 3-4 years)

TWO titles in 8-10 years

Keep the team and LSU brand fresh and don't get stagnant, keep up solid recruiting and win some SEC titles to achieve the NCAA championships mentioned above

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If wedve hired a top level coach...

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Who might this *top level* coach have been?

IIRC Leslie Miles- after his two upsets of Oklahoma- was considered a top level coach when LSU hired him.

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I learned from the masters of cherry picking on the rant

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touche' Still comparing Saban's record minus the NC season, only the 2nd one in school history to DiNaro's record minus his last 2 seasons when he won 6 games total and got fired is a tad disingenuous, even by rant standards.

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the point was LSU football was a damn sight better off for Saban in 2000 than it would have been if he had come in 1995.

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I give Gerry D more credit than most, he did stem the tide of in state recruits leaving, signing Faulk was HUGE, but he missed on some others that kept him from breaking out (Ed Reed) and the administration was starting improvements, the East Upper Deck opened Saban's first year, but this is a tad of an over statement. We were back sliding winning only 7 games in 2 years. Its also worth noting that 95 was Saban's first year at MSU, iirc correctly they were coming off probation and had 4 straight losing seasons. MSU is a harder job, being 2nd fiddle in state and UM was still elite then, Ohio State Hwas rolling and ND and PSU were all really good. While his record wasn't quite as good as DiNardo's at LSU, he didn't have a losing season.

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Paul was before my time, but did he have three top five teams in a row and win 78% of his games at LSU?

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He had 3 top 5 in 4 years. Interesting that you argue LSU in 2000 when Saban took over was better than in 95 when Gerry D took over, but seem to ignore how muc better it was in 2005 when Miles took over. Not for nothing but NO ONE outside of Larry Coker and Dennis Erikson at Miami took over a better situation than Miles did at LSU that i can think of. Taking over a struggling program and making it a champion is more impressive than taking over a loaded team and winning. To Miles credit he did prove (unlike Coker or Erikson) that he could sustain on his own with his own recruits in 2010-12 and he did turn things around at OSU.

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Amazing the mental gymnastics ppl

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Speaking of mental gymastics..

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He'd never even won 10 games had a record of 28-21 and was only a head coach for a what 4 years in what world is that a top level coach? That's 7 wins a year

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You do a good job of pointing out when others ignore context with other coaches, but fail to the same for Miles? Why? Perhaps because you don't like him? OSU was in even worse shape when he got started there than LSU when either DiNardo or Saban started. That it was due to NCAA sanctions that killed Pat Jones only strengthens his case. His Record there was better than Saban's at MSU and a helluva a lot better than the guy that is replacing him here.

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I dunno maybe Urban Meyer, Jimbo Fisher was already here in our lap could've gone with Spurrier one of the Harbaughs that's 5 off the top of my head without giving it a second of thought.

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Meyer and Spurrier had already taken jobs at Florida and USCe when Saban left, they were not available. Jim Harbaugh was just finishing his first season at San Diego, a D 1-AA program and was QB coach with the Raiders for 2 years before that. John was an assistant with the Eagles and supposedly was a candidate at Western Michigan but didn;t get a HC job until 2008. Neither of them were viable candidates, that's just 20/20 hindsight. Fisher was a candidate that personally i would have loved, but he didn't have HC experience and rumor has it Saban told LSU he didn't think Jimbo was ready.

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If LSU had hired Jimbo as HC after Saban we wouldn't be having this discussion

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Duh, we couldn't be discussing Miles record at LSU if Fisher had been hired

I love Fisher and really wanted him here, by far my top choice in 15 or 16, but it's no given he would have done substantially better than Miles overall in the last 12 years, to be clear i mean in winning trophies.He clearly would have done much better with QB's but he's not without his detractors or flaws Outside of the 2 years with Winston, he's had a least 3 losses, which is basically Miles only with a competent offense in an easier conference.

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Rdaddy

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You seriously couldn't tell this was a troll? The all caps for emphasis didn't give it away?