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What specifically is your beef with Coach E's offense?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:31 am
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:31 am
There seems to be a lot of people on this board that hate the scheme that Coach E has implemented here at LSU. I have to say, I don't have an issue with it. It works. I believe its a good combination of run pass and despite Justin Jefferson getting most of the receiving yards this year it's an offense that will allow Burrow to spread the ball around.
If I had to nit pic my biggest beef with Coach E is the play calling in certain situations. For example, why did we try to run off tackle against UCF's defense so many times. UCF's defensive strength was their speed on the edge. Given the fact that Brossette and CEH are probably the slowest east/west RBs in the SEC I would rarely run off tackle unless UCF's defense was aligned and leaning toward the A gap.
With that said, I don't have an issue with the offensive scheme per se. However I do have an issue with play calling and offensive adjustments at times. But as a avid Saints fan I can say I have the same issue with Sean Payton's play calling too and Sean is considered an offensive genius. There are times when I think Sean Payton is just getting too cute and needs to run instead of pass. The nice thing about Sean there are a lot of times were he admits he should have just ran the ball. But he usually has a reason, "we just wanted to experiment there; we saw something on the prior defensive alignments; etc., etc."
As far as Coach O and E, IMO they need work on helping the offense recolonize game time situations better where the mistakes that bog this offense down are eliminated. I believe that will come as continuity is developed year over year at each offensive position especially at the QB position.
IMO Coach E's offensive scheme is fine. Ironically those off tackle play calls that went for zero to negative yardage this year will go for positive gains next year with a speedier back like John Emery coming in next year.
With new talent and offensive player continuity from this year to next Coach E will silence the critics next season.
If I had to nit pic my biggest beef with Coach E is the play calling in certain situations. For example, why did we try to run off tackle against UCF's defense so many times. UCF's defensive strength was their speed on the edge. Given the fact that Brossette and CEH are probably the slowest east/west RBs in the SEC I would rarely run off tackle unless UCF's defense was aligned and leaning toward the A gap.
With that said, I don't have an issue with the offensive scheme per se. However I do have an issue with play calling and offensive adjustments at times. But as a avid Saints fan I can say I have the same issue with Sean Payton's play calling too and Sean is considered an offensive genius. There are times when I think Sean Payton is just getting too cute and needs to run instead of pass. The nice thing about Sean there are a lot of times were he admits he should have just ran the ball. But he usually has a reason, "we just wanted to experiment there; we saw something on the prior defensive alignments; etc., etc."
As far as Coach O and E, IMO they need work on helping the offense recolonize game time situations better where the mistakes that bog this offense down are eliminated. I believe that will come as continuity is developed year over year at each offensive position especially at the QB position.
IMO Coach E's offensive scheme is fine. Ironically those off tackle play calls that went for zero to negative yardage this year will go for positive gains next year with a speedier back like John Emery coming in next year.
With new talent and offensive player continuity from this year to next Coach E will silence the critics next season.
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Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:33 am to GumboPot
the only thing that pisses me off is that we don't use the TE's enough during hot blitzes. in fact.......we don't use them enough period.
other than that, i'm cool with it.
other than that, i'm cool with it.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:34 am to oldcharlie8
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the only thing that pisses me off is that we don't use the TE's enough during hot blitzes
when the oline can barely block teams not blitzing it usually means the TE has to block during blitzes
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:35 am to GumboPot
Regardless of what people's concerns are, he'll get his last shot to prove himself next year.
To me, the bigger concerns this year were OL and to a lesser degree the WRs being constant issues. The OL poor play got exacerbated by RBs who couldn't "bail them out" per se either with big plays.
There's some things I wish Ensminger would change - being a little more aggressive with a lead, USING your tall WRs on fades and balls they can high point (would probably help us TREMENDOUSLY in red zone where we SUCK), etc...but overall let's see what he can do next year with most folks returning. Biggest issue anyone has with Ensminger is 0 points on Bama in 8 quarters, and I think almost regardless of what happens everywhere else that's the game everyone will circle that if he cant get anything once again change will need to be made there.
To me, the bigger concerns this year were OL and to a lesser degree the WRs being constant issues. The OL poor play got exacerbated by RBs who couldn't "bail them out" per se either with big plays.
There's some things I wish Ensminger would change - being a little more aggressive with a lead, USING your tall WRs on fades and balls they can high point (would probably help us TREMENDOUSLY in red zone where we SUCK), etc...but overall let's see what he can do next year with most folks returning. Biggest issue anyone has with Ensminger is 0 points on Bama in 8 quarters, and I think almost regardless of what happens everywhere else that's the game everyone will circle that if he cant get anything once again change will need to be made there.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:36 am to GumboPot
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Coach E will silence the critics next season.
I believe this for the most part but some "fans" have an agenda and will never accept E because of who made him the OC
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:37 am to saturncube21
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Red zone scoring
Agree that this is an issue. Two things that can help to improve red zone scoring:
1. Eliminate mistakes.
2. Fine tune technique. Technique has to be almost perfect in the red zone were space is not available. That goes for every position but most importantly for Burrow and the WRs.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:37 am to thunderbird1100
quote:Yep that's my biggest issue for sure! Well, that and it seems that we take our foot off the gas with a lead. Hopefully it will get better next year, if know kick his arse to the curb!
Biggest issue anyone has with Ensminger is 0 points on Bama in 8 quarters, and I think almost regardless of what happens everywhere else that's the game everyone will circle that if he cant get anything once again change will need to be made there.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:38 am to GumboPot
0 points against Alabama
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:38 am to GumboPot
Red zone play calling needs work. I don’t mind running it but run it out of 4/5 wide sets. We need to run more short crossing routes when we think blitz is coming or anytime for that matter. All in all it’s light years ahead of where we were and I think they know the tweaking that needs to take place. Rock On.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:39 am to GumboPot
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There seems to be a lot of people on this board that hate the scheme that Coach E has implemented here at LSU. I have to say, I don't have an issue with it. It works.
What offensive numbers this season suggest to you that it worked? Nearly every statistical category was near the bottom of both the SEC, and the nation.
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With new talent and offensive player continuity from this year to next Coach E will silence the critics next season
The offense next season should certainly be better. Offensive line injuries played a role in it being bad. Better RB situation should help. Burrow and WRs having another year should also help. That being said, they have almost nowhere to go but up. The question is if they can go up enough to put us in the situations we should be in. 11-1 next season is as low as I'm willing to accept. With 11-1 should come some improvements on offense.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:41 am to thunderbird1100
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Biggest issue anyone has with Ensminger is 0 points on Bama in 8 quarters, and I think almost regardless of what happens everywhere else that's the game everyone will circle that if he cant get anything once again change will need to be made there.
If each man on the OL would do their job on each play we would have a chance.
I don't know how you out scheme a defense when 3-4 men on your offense are getting consistently beat play after play.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:42 am to GumboPot
I'll start with one of your points- His situational play calling is just bad and he does not seem to know how to use the talent we have in those situations, hence running into a brick wall.
Is this really what we want to accept? He may be a great guy and former player, but this it the "big leagues", there are others who could do a better job. Wanna learn on the job? Go to an FCS school and let it ride, scoring exactly 0 on Alabama for two straight years is unacceptable as is squandering red zone after red zone try.
Is this really what we want to accept? He may be a great guy and former player, but this it the "big leagues", there are others who could do a better job. Wanna learn on the job? Go to an FCS school and let it ride, scoring exactly 0 on Alabama for two straight years is unacceptable as is squandering red zone after red zone try.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 8:43 am
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:42 am to GumboPot
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What specifically is your beef with Coach E's offense?
I don't have a problem with the offense or how he calls the games.
The problem is execution on the field. This to me was to be expected especially when LSU wasn't fielding a single SEC starter at any skilled position on offense.
The running game certainly took a step backwards along with the O-line kind of hand in hand there. One certainly can't overlook the amount of drops the receivers had in every game and quite a few of them were touchdown drops. Providing Slinger and the staff can improve on execution the offense will look fine to most.
Personally I believe they improve!Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:42 am to GumboPot
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What specifically is your beef with Coach E's offense?
Situational play calling. Much of it is too scripted and doesn't seem to take into account what the defense is showing.
And we have no red zone offense. We should, because we have a QB who can scramble, and we have exceptionally tall and long WR's. Hopefully this improves next season.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 8:43 am
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:42 am to GumboPot
Agree with most of this. Our base zone running play... the one that looks like it is an off tackle play did not work well this year. It is supposed to create a GAP as the line kind of slides and pushes the DLine to the boundary. Not sure that we even know how to,execute a zone blocking scheme.
Bette pass protection allows us to,run more complex routes. The comment by Coach E that some of our WR do not understand or cannot process audibles. Not good at all.
Bette pass protection allows us to,run more complex routes. The comment by Coach E that some of our WR do not understand or cannot process audibles. Not good at all.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:43 am to saturncube21
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Red zone scoring
This and just uninspired paycalling in general against Bama for 2 games in a row.
ETA: Reading your posts in this thread have shown you have no interest in pacing any blame on the coaches. So typical.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 8:45 am
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:44 am to GumboPot
Needs to be able to run an effective screen pass play, use the tight ends, more crossing routes, running out of a spread formation...
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:45 am to LNCHBOX
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uninspired paycalling in general against Bama for 2 games in a row.
I agree some what. The last bama game we were trying different sets but once we realized we were going to get JB killed we went to max protect
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:45 am to GumboPot
That he doesnt try to cover up weaknesses.
He constantly had us a dinosaur max protect which brings more defenders to the los. In today's cfb you spread teams out. Max protect limits the options for our qb.
Knowing that our oline is struggling HE NEVER ONCE MOVED THE POCKET FOR BURROW. Teams were allow to just pin their ears back and rush to a spot.
He constantly called playaction passes when no one respected our run game.
He has yet to teach our players how to run a damn screen pass.
He constantly calls these long developing pass plays that dont help our oline.
He constantly puts Burrow under center making it harder to read a defense during his drop and he knows our pass blocking isnt great.
Our gameplan almost never changes depending upon the weakness of our opponent.
He constantly had us a dinosaur max protect which brings more defenders to the los. In today's cfb you spread teams out. Max protect limits the options for our qb.
Knowing that our oline is struggling HE NEVER ONCE MOVED THE POCKET FOR BURROW. Teams were allow to just pin their ears back and rush to a spot.
He constantly called playaction passes when no one respected our run game.
He has yet to teach our players how to run a damn screen pass.
He constantly calls these long developing pass plays that dont help our oline.
He constantly puts Burrow under center making it harder to read a defense during his drop and he knows our pass blocking isnt great.
Our gameplan almost never changes depending upon the weakness of our opponent.
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