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re: What other schools run a 4-3?
Posted on 10/14/20 at 10:54 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 10/14/20 at 10:54 am to SammyTiger
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Not knowing our assignment is the biggest issue.
I wonder if the problem is teaching or learning. Pretty sure the teaching is the same across the country. I think what we are lacking the most is a qb on defense helping the guys that are confused with their assignments on each play
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Posted on 10/14/20 at 10:58 am to Topwater Trout
Idk some guys and schemes are easier to learn than other ax
I agree There isn’t a guy out there calling everything.
I agree There isn’t a guy out there calling everything.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:02 am to SammyTiger
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Idk some guys and schemes are easier to learn than other ax I agree There isn’t a guy out there calling everything.
I am not using it as an excuse but changing styles (not really sure how complex the changes are for the secondary TBH) didn't come at the best time with all the covid crap
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:04 am to Topwater Trout
I think There is an issue at every level
Coaching
Play calling
Talent
Execution
Obviously no spring ball didn’t help.
We still should be better than this though.
Coaching
Play calling
Talent
Execution
Obviously no spring ball didn’t help.
We still should be better than this though.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:07 am to irishTiger18
The only difference between a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a stand up backer and an end with his hand on the group.
Aranda’s defense was really a 3-3-5 and that’s really the same as a 4-2-5.
The main difference in Aranda and Bo’s schemes is Aranda likes to keep his Dline from getting too far in backfield and protecting his LBs. Bo let’s the Dline blow and go which gets his LBs blocked so if the Dline doesn’t make the play we are screwed. Another difference is in Arandas scheme you only have 1 true pass rusher in when in your base D Bc your weak side end is basically a tackle. Bo’s scheme you got 2 guys that can get after the QB on pretty much every down. So Bo can get more pressure but he’s not as sound against the run as Arandas scheme.
Aranda’s gonna have his nose in a shade. Strong side end in 4i. Bo is gonna be in a 1 tech and a 3tech.
Aranda’s defense was really a 3-3-5 and that’s really the same as a 4-2-5.
The main difference in Aranda and Bo’s schemes is Aranda likes to keep his Dline from getting too far in backfield and protecting his LBs. Bo let’s the Dline blow and go which gets his LBs blocked so if the Dline doesn’t make the play we are screwed. Another difference is in Arandas scheme you only have 1 true pass rusher in when in your base D Bc your weak side end is basically a tackle. Bo’s scheme you got 2 guys that can get after the QB on pretty much every down. So Bo can get more pressure but he’s not as sound against the run as Arandas scheme.
Aranda’s gonna have his nose in a shade. Strong side end in 4i. Bo is gonna be in a 1 tech and a 3tech.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:12 am to SammyTiger
Against State we were very aggressive and got burned over and over. Against Mizzou we weren't aggressive up front and allowed a freshmen time to pick us apart. I think we played each game opposite of how we should've.
no doubt.
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We still should be better than this though.
no doubt.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:25 am to redfishfan
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Aranda’s defense was really a 3-3-5 and that’s really the same as a 4-2-5.
which we are prob in most plays
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:26 am to Topwater Trout
We dropped Chaisson into coverage waaaaay to often.
He was clueless back there.
He was clueless back there.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:29 am to redfishfan
Far from the only difference. 3-4 is built around big 2 gap players that eat space. 4-3 all 7 are responsible for a gap. Totally different style of players up front. That’s just a start
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:51 am to Naptime
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Bama’s base defense is 3-4.
Bama got out of the 3-4 back when Terrence Cody left...
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:38 pm to Naptime
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Far from the only difference. 3-4 is built around big 2 gap players that eat space. 4-3 all 7 are responsible for a gap. Totally different style of players up front. That’s just a start
Not true at all. 3 man front had nothing to do with 2 gapping. You can 2 gap in any front. LSU under Aranda didn’t 2 gap the nose very much at all.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:44 pm to GetmorewithLes
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Bama got out of the 3-4 back when Terrence Cody left...
Base defense is still 3-4
Posted on 10/14/20 at 12:55 pm to SammyTiger
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Auburn runs a 3-4
No they don’t but the rest of your post is pretty spot on.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 1:03 pm to irishTiger18
ohio state can get away with it cus they play bums ever week and they're corners are way superior athletes to the WR's giving their Dline time to get to the QB, time you don't have in the SEC.3-4 suits the SEC and our team better
Posted on 10/14/20 at 1:50 pm to Locoguan0
TCU runs a 4-2-5 base which to me is the best defense you can run in college football these days. Especially at places like LSU where finding that hybrid LB/safety is not extremely difficult.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 2:04 pm to irishTiger18
Both schemes can be effective if you have recruited to that scheme. LSU is in the first year of the 4-3 and is not quite there yet with recruiting to this scheme but will get there. Georgia, Ohio St Penn St run and there are many more. You just need to recruit to whatever scheme.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 2:07 pm to redfishfan
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The only difference between a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a stand up backer and an end with his hand on the group.
There are a few other differences but this is pretty much it.
With a 3-4 you are still generally rushing 4, you just have more options on where that 4th guy is coming from. You can also drop 8 in coverage whereas it's not really efficient to do that in a 4-3.
LSU's biggest problem is LB play this year. Regardless of a 3-4 or 4-3, your LBs have to be able to track the RB and hit him near the LOS to be successful and our LB's have not done that 95% of the time this year. D-Line play needs improvement but I think that will be solved with some of the younger guys (Roy, Guillory, etc).
LSU ran a lot of 4-2-5 against Missouri (it looked like 4-3 but that 3rd LB was Stevens so it was pretty much a 4-2-5) and the LB play was what killed us. Couldnt stop the run and routinely didn't cover the RB out of the backfield. It was also painfully obvious that a lot of the players are confused as to what they should be doing. The scheme change coupled with lack of practicing due to covid, losing everyone last year was just a perfect storm for a shitty season.
It looks bleak right now but I think the defense will get it turned around. I really would like to see Clark benched for someone else though. Not only has he missed assignment after assignment but I have seen him spend way too much time jogging after ball carriers instead of going 100%.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 2:27 pm to irishTiger18
quote:Clemson, Ohio State, Penn State, Auburn, Florida and Oregon all run a 4-3 but "scheme" is an overrated excuse. It doesn't matter how many downlineman we have when the DB's don't know the checks and the linebackers are so confused that they're on their heels.
Do any other big programs run a 4-3?
Posted on 10/14/20 at 2:38 pm to redfishfan
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The only difference between a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a stand up backer and an end with his hand on the group.
Over simplification there. There are major differences within a 4-3, or 3-4 for that matter.
Philosophy is the start of a defense. Are you a bend don’t break or all blitz...or somewhere in between? Do you want to adjust defense each game (complicated) or run a base set (simple)? And so on.
Then, you look at your Joes to see what you can actually do.
You can do much of the above in various sets - 3-4, 4-3, 3-3-5 and so on. Within a 4-3 (or other set), a coach can be aggressive, passive, or a mix. Think, there is a 4-3 over, 4-3 under, 4-3 Tampa, Miami 4-3 and so on.
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