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re: What is your X’s and O’s critique of McMahon and MBB?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:55 pm to jamarr
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:55 pm to jamarr
What you’re saying is just plain false. Gaines wasn’t even a starter, Days and Reid were slow as shite, Murray isn’t fast. And simply discrediting highly ranked athletes because the coach sucks and the team’s not doing well is just as ignorant. Your premise that you must have a guard with elite speed like Gaines or a forward who runs like Eason to press is also false. Plenty of teams have been successful full court pressure teams without that.
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:56 pm to jamarr
Impossible to say because he’s not here and irrelevant because he did it with Eason. Your argument holds no water.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:03 pm to Madking
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Your premise that you must have a guard with elite speed like Gaines or a forward who runs like Eason to press is also false.
that wasnt my premise.
my premise is that last year's team had significantly more talent and athleticism. and they did.
i think wade is a genius. with this team he would lose. they are too slow, cant shoot, cant handle the rock, cant finish, etc.
wade says the "process" isnt that important. he says its just about recruiting. and thats correct. you have to have the jimmys and joes. and this current team has no great athletes. hannibal maybe is a great athlete, but he cant shoot for shite, and he is tiny.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:04 pm to Madking
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Impossible to say because he’s not here and irrelevant because he did it with Eason
none of the current roster is even close to eason's level of athleticism. not close.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:08 pm to jamarr
You’re drifting way off topic but to placate the argument 2018-19 had far superior talent to last year and they didn’t play the same defense. If your logic held water that wouldn’t be possible.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:10 pm to jamarr
And Eason isn’t the athlete Marlon Taylor was so what’s your point? You keep deflecting but no matter which direction you deflect to it doesn’t wash. We’ve had as good or better athletes, we’ve had better players who weren’t drafted as high, Naz Reid wasn’t drafted at all and is much better. So all of these fragmented and conflated arguments are easily debunked
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:12 pm to Madking
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You’re drifting way off topic
we are discussing the mcmahon's coaching talent. i am saying its hard to tell because his players are shite.
good players make good teams.
if mcmahon brings in lots of talent and length and athleticism and is still terrible, thats a problem. as of now its way too early to say.
comparing this team to previous year's teams as a way to be a critic of coaching is insane. those teams had massively more talent. guys like eason and naz, those guys are NBA talents. KJ williams is not close to their level.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:15 pm to jamarr
He’s not bringing in talent and the group he has now includes 5 top 100 recruits plus an all conf level big who isn’t a top 100 guy. We have more top 100 guys than all but 4/5 SEC teams. We were picked 8th in the SEC despite having a new and unproven coach which means it was a talent based prediction. This narrative has been debunked 100+ times and there is no standardized comparison to support it. Just because the coach is garbage doesn’t mean the players are. Most of them have proven more at this level than McMahon has.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:20 pm to Madking
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He’s not bringing in talent
we shall see. cant say that yet before the transfers happen.
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plus an all conf level big
small conferences are not the same.
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Most of them have proven more at this level than McMahon has.
who? fountain on the bench at ms state? the small school guys who literally were not at "this level"? the high school guys? who are the "most" of them that are proven "at this level" (which means the SEC)?
miller, maybe, but he wasnt setting the world on fire at illinois. but you said most of them. who?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:24 pm to jamarr
quote:Madking downvoted you for saying this. It's like living in crazy town. Apparently Eason could run, dunk, and steal because of Wade coaching him to do those things. Wonder why Wade didn't coach everyone else to do that.
none of the current roster is even close to eason's level of athleticism. not close.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:25 pm to ProjectP2294
That’s funny right there I don’t care who you are
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:27 pm to jamarr
He’s not, our recruiting class is ranked in the 50s and nobody is coming to play in this style of system except desperate transfers trying to hold on at this level. KJ Williams is putting up good numbers in the SEC despite playing in a 1990s girls HS basketball offense, he’s an all conf level big anywhere. He’s had multiple guys who’ve accounted for 80 or so starts for successful P5 schools from #1 to #6 to #8 seeded NCAA tourney teams which is more than he’s ever done.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:28 pm to mmcgrath
Why do you lie so much? Is it because you’re dumb and can’t actually discuss basketball?
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:30 pm to jamarr
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we are discussing the mcmahon's coaching talent. i am saying its hard to tell because his players are shite.
good players make good teams.
This is such a simpleton's way of looking at it
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:37 pm to HoopyD
GARBAGE!!!!!
Will Wade was a wizard at running the high post pick and roll until the cows came home!!!
Giving up my season tickets after this season.
Scotty shite the bed with firing Wade!
Will Wade was a wizard at running the high post pick and roll until the cows came home!!!
Giving up my season tickets after this season.
Scotty shite the bed with firing Wade!
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:44 pm to CP3forMVP
Exactly, these guys don’t follow basketball outside of watching a few LSU games so they have no frame of reference. They didn’t watch Eason at Cincinnati so they don’t know that his role and how he was used was completely changed by Wade and developed into a first rounder at LSU. They’ve literally said “he could run and he could dunk hard so he was elite” lol, you don’t get any more ignorant than that.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:47 pm to jamarr
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we are discussing the mcmahon's coaching talent. i am saying its hard to tell because his players are shite.
good players make good teams.
if mcmahon brings in lots of talent and length and athleticism and is still terrible, thats a problem. as of now its way too early to say.
The best comp for LSU this season would be Missouri.
Each has a first year HC hired from a mid-major school
Each returned very few players from last year's team. Missouri (2); LSU (3).
Each coach had to build a roster nearly from scratch upon being hired.
Missouri's HC brought 3 players from his former school (Cleveland St) with him to his new school. Same for McMahon. Missouri has nine transfers on this year's team. Only one (1) came from a major-conf. school. They signed one HS player. He was ranked in the top 70 according to most of the recruiting services.
While we can nitpick about various individual skill-sets, their roster isn't all that dissimilar than LSU's. In fact, just about everyone who follows college basketball thought LSU's roster was BETTER.
Yet, the on-court results couldn't be more different. Missouri is 21-8 (9-7) en route to what looks like a NCAA Tournament appearance. LSU is going to finish with a losing record...despite starting 12-1...and needs to somehow get another win to avoid tying the worst SEC record in school history.
The "new" narrative that this LSU roster is just so bad McMahon had no chance of success with it is just flat out wrong and wholly contradictory to what EVERYONE thought coming into the season. No one is arguing it is a great roster. But it should be FAR better than dead last in the league on pace for one of the worst records of the last decade (at least).
I want McMahon to succeed. And what would have constituted "success" this season really wasn't a high bar. Yet, he's been awful. There is just no other way to spin it.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:48 pm to CP3forMVP
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This is such a simpleton's way of looking at it
i see, so to what extent is having good players relevant? not at all? its all coaching?
you think these current players are great SEC level talents? which ones?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:51 pm to Alt26
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While we can nitpick about various individual skill-sets,
we can indeed. LSU players not good. cant handle the ball, cant shoot. cant finish at the rim.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:54 pm to Madking
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They’ve literally said “he could run and he could dunk hard so he was elite” lol
that quote is false and is "literally" not what was said. please be honest.
eason is a vastly superior player to anyone on the current roster. he was a first round pick and is doing well in the league. which of the current players do you think is near his level in potential?
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 1:55 pm
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