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tigbit
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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The justification is that players gain an unfair advantage by using PEDs. How hard is this to comprehend?



You obviously didn't read the OP. We are not talking about PEDs, we are talking about "street drugs"


The First Cut
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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Some might say there is a safety issue involved. Pretty sure it's scientifically accepted that drunk/high people have slower reaction times and their inhibitions are lowered making them dangerous risk takers and more likely to get injured.


Please don't argue to expand the NCAA's reach.


The First Cut
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
They didn't test for street drugs.


dgnx6
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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The purpose of the drug-testing program is to deter student-athletes from using performance-enhancing drugs, and it impacts the eligibility of student-athletes who try to cheat by using banned substances. The NCAA tests for steroids, peptide hormones and masking agents year-round and also tests for stimulants and recreational drugs during championships. Member schools also may test for these substances as part of their athletics department drug-deterrence programs.




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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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They didn't test for street drugs.


Didn't realize this. So I guess it's the individual schools that test for weed then?


The First Cut
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Didn't realize this. So I guess it's the individual schools that test for weed then?


Yes. The NCAA is not the police state that people think they are. Their scope is limited to ensuring fair competition. There's no advantage to one using weed.


MountainTiger
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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So, do they then not test for these substances in states where they are legal? Yes, they do. So, the fact that they are illegal can not be the driving force. I am looking for their legal justification, not just "because the NCAA says so"

An organization can have a more restrictive drug policy than what is allowed by law. Here in Colorado there are plenty of companies that prohibit marijuana use even though it's legal here. Also, even though it's legal in the eyes of the state, it's still illegal in the eyes of the federal government.


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There's no advantage to one using weed.

Other than it being a non-addictive pain reliever/sedative.


beauxroux
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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Please don't argue to expand the NCAA's reach.

Not arguing to expand anything. OP wanted legal reason. Here it is: University could open itself up to huge liability if some impaired (by drugs or alcohol) player injured or was injured.


dgnx6
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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Here in Colorado there are plenty of companies that prohibit marijuana use even though it's legal here. Also, even though it's legal in the eyes of the state, it's still illegal in the eyes of the federal government.


You can still get in trouble just blowing down in public. Yeah it's legal to purchase, but not to consume anywhere you please.


The First Cut
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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Other than it being a non-addictive pain reliever/sedative


That's Saban's argument for allowing weed - it's better than using opioids.


tigbit
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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They didn't test for street drugs.

Didn't realize this. So I guess it's the individual schools that test for weed then?


This is not true.

• NCAA championship and postseason bowl-game
testing may test for all banned drug classes, and
include tests for street/illicit drugs and stimulants.

source: LINK


The First Cut
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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Not arguing to expand anything. OP wanted legal reason. Here it is: University could open itself up to huge liability if some impaired (by drugs or alcohol) player injured or was injured.


Universities test (and often turn a blind eye to failed tests) but the NCAA doesn't test for recreational drugs until championships, as another poster noted.


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tigbit
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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The purpose of the drug-testing program is to deter student-athletes from using performance-enhancing drugs, and it impacts the eligibility of student-athletes who try to cheat by using banned substances. The NCAA tests for steroids, peptide hormones and masking agents year-round and also tests for stimulants and recreational drugs during championships. Member schools also may test for these substances as part of their athletics department drug-deterrence programs.


Yes, but this also applies: NCAA championship and postseason bowl-game
testing may test for all banned drug classes, and
include tests for street/illicit drugs and stimulants.


The First Cut
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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quote:
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They didn't test for street drugs.

Didn't realize this. So I guess it's the individual schools that test for weed then?


This is not true.

• NCAA championship and postseason bowl-game
testing may test for all banned drug classes, and
include tests for street/illicit drugs and stimulants.

source: LINK


What I posed IS true - they didn't test him for recreational drugs. It wasn't bowl season.


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dgnx6
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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NCAA championship and postseason bowl-game
testing may test for all banned drug classes, and
include tests for street/illicit drugs and stimulant


I forget the name, but that pitcher got popped taking Adderall, pretty sure he missed the regionals or cws. Wasn't too long ago.


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MountainTiger
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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You can still get in trouble just blowing down in public. Yeah it's legal to purchase, but not to consume anywhere you please.

That's also true.


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dgnx6
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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Yes, but this also applies: NCAA championship and postseason bowl-game
testing may test for all banned drug classes, and
include tests for street/illicit drugs and stimulants.


Yeah, I quoted the NCAA website.

I'm all for legalizing weed, but amphetamines are performance enhancing, and extremely fricking dangerous. Ephedra was banned because kids were basically having heart attacks out in the heat.

It's a safety issue. I think your issue is testing for pot. Which is not what Fulton was being tested for by the NCAA.

This post was edited on 8/10 at 2:38 pm


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Dave England
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
..drugs? I can see if the drug gives a competitive advantage, then the NCAA has to stop cheating. But, the tests for other drugs, that are not performance enhancing, but are illegal - what is the reason? Shouldn't they have to test all students and not single out the athletes of major sports?



what is the justification for this thread?

the NCAA was not testing Fulton for weed. that is the whole problem. No one from LSU told Fulton, "relax panama red, theyre not testing for weed"


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Dave England
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re: What is the justification for drug testing football players for non-performance enhancing.
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That's Saban's argument for allowing weed - it's better than using opioids.


hes right too.


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