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re: What is the intent of NIL?

Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:36 pm to
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:36 pm to
Wrong and it’s scary that you’re this naive
This post was edited on 12/17/21 at 9:38 pm
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:40 pm to
Every one of you “do you hate capitalism” morons don’t have a clue what capitalism is and are only repeating what you think is a slick gotcha.
Posted by tigerskin
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:41 pm to
They are worth what the market says they are worth. Classify that however you want
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:44 pm to
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Take it up with the Supreme Court.

Ultimately, your post reeks of jealousy. Sorry you had a 5.12 40 yard dash & couldn't bench press a sack of potatoes.




The overall culture or attitude in sports is not good among many players...or young people in general

Universities have become a woke cesspool.... of entitlement, whoa is me..."give me my space, shut when you're talking to me" attitude

I am capitalist but I am not okay with paying college players...

this is what we're doing....we're paying star players to get on campus so our beloved programs will win.

it's always been a dirty recruiting game but now the laundry is being celebrated out in the open as "capitalism"...

we forgot what the mission of the NCAA stands for....all in the name of "fairness"



Posted by Madking
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:46 pm to
A- they play for amateur organization that can set whatever rules they want.

B- there is no market for any player without the name brand of an elite school.
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:46 pm to
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The Supreme Court found that student athletes have a property right in their names, images, and likenesses that they are entitled to monetize if they so choose.


This is 100% wrong. The USSC concurred with lower courts that the NCAA By-Laws violated provisions of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. The following is a link to the Harvard Law Review synopsis of the case that gave rise to NIL, Alston v. NCAA Read at least the first half dozen paragraphs.

LINK Warning heavy legal reading.

NIL is the NCAA's compromise to allow athletes an outside source of income that attempts to bring the NCAA into compliance with the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.

NIL is legislated on a state by state basis with all but 19 states having passed NIL statutes. No two states have the exact same law. The following is a very good article on the Louisiana NIL statute.

LA NIL Law Everyone should read this article.

ETA: Alston v. NCAA is an off-shot of the O'Bannon v. NCAA case.
This post was edited on 12/18/21 at 12:12 am
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:47 pm to
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The unsaid intent was to funnel quality players to the big markets to defang the SEC


hmmm

guess the under estimated the alumni
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:47 pm to
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I am upset because I like College Football and I know how this likely ends if it's not corrected in short order


Adapt & survive or stay the same & die off.

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Understood, I am just a fan, but is gratitude now frowned upon> Are you on board with the 21st century bullshite attitude..."pay me'"


Before NIL, the average 18-22 year old could be in a commercial or advertisement & profit off of it while college athletes couldn't.

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I don't care to look at a 18 year olds social page, you're not adding much here...


You said no one would know these kids nor would the athletic opportunity be available without the university. That simply isn't the case anymore. Many of these recruits in high school are well known nationally.

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but 150K a year to 1 million, I mean come on now....


Again, you are counting other people's money. If a business wants to pay a kid that amount of money to do advertising, that's their business. So you want to tell businesses how to spend their money as well not allow college athletes to earn money off their name, image & likeness? Got it.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:48 pm to
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A- they play for amateur organization that can set whatever rules they want.


That’s not what the Supreme Court said
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:51 pm to
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I am capitalist but I am not okay with paying college players...


How about you look into which Supreme Court Justice made the NIL ruling.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58779 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:52 pm to
The Supreme Court has no business being involved in this to begin with but like all things of this nature when special interest groups want something bad enough they buy off the levers of government to strong arm their way. What happened here is grotesque and illegal, just because corruption made it so doesn’t make it legit. If their argument was that these kids are old enough to work in this profession they could’ve had the NFL adjust for it but they didn’t because it has nothing to do with the pretext they used.
This post was edited on 12/17/21 at 9:55 pm
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1501 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:58 pm to
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How about you look into which Supreme Court Justice made the NIL ruling.


Unanimous verdict in USSC.

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh wrote opinions agreeing with the findings of the 9th District Court of Appeals (most liberal district) and the Northern District of California (liberal district court),
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
54947 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 9:58 pm to
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Before NIL, the average 18-22 year old could be in a commercial or advertisement & profit off of it while college athletes couldn't.



Okay but sports provides that avenue...

sports provides a scholarship,- 95% of students do not get

is the goal higher learning or some 5 star get paid?

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You said no one would know these kids nor would the athletic opportunity be available without the university. That simply isn't the case anymore. Many of these recruits in high school are well known nationally.


and with out LSU being the brand that it is, the SEC brand that it or is CFB that it is, being a HS star would not mean jack shite...

you can't have one without the other...

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Again, you are counting other people's money. If a business wants to pay a kid that amount of money to do advertising, that's their business. So you want to tell businesses how to spend their money as well not allow college athletes to earn money off their name, image & likeness? Got it.


whose money is not the point.

I believe local companies are being pressured "go make a deal so we can get this kid on our campus legally" wink wink

frankly, most business have no interest in marketing a football player to sell their services or products...

an 18 year old is of little value to a business regardless of football talent. A pro bowl athlete maybe....and they don't do that many commercials

this is about rich alumni helping their school win

that part isn't new

Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
43008 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:01 pm to
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this is about rich alumni helping their school win

that part isn't new




So it just made you feel better about it all when you couldn’t actually see what was going on?
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:03 pm to
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Unanimous verdict in USSC.

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh wrote opinions agreeing with the findings of the 9th District Court of Appeals (most liberal district) and the Northern District of California (liberal district court),


Don't do his homework for him.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:03 pm to
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1. Full ride scholarship (estimate worth 135k-200k) 2. Professional coaching 3. Professional conditioning and training 4. Special Tutoring and counseling 5. Nutritional training 5a. Professional Physical therapy as needed 6. Play on TV almost every game (ticket to fame) LSU did that!!!! 7. Massive love and support from fans just suiting up in the purple and gold


We give them all that and the school still makes huge profits

Almost like the players being good are worth way more.
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1501 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:12 pm to
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Don't do his homework for him.


Mea culpa, mea culpa.

Just attempting to get people to read and understand the what, where and why. If you read this thread and any other NIL thread on the various different boards it is amazing the amount of misinformation and pure bullshite that is being spewed.

The two links I posted above should inform our fanbase, but I fear raw emotion will prevail.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:16 pm to
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Okay but sports provides that avenue...

sports provides a scholarship,- 95% of students do not get

is the goal higher learning or some 5 star get paid?


It's the athletes who provide the entertainment that drives the sport. The talent is in the SEC which is why the SEC has a mega television deal that is shared across the school. How many of the students in a university benefit from those profits?

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and with out LSU being the brand that it is, the SEC brand that it or is CFB that it is, being a HS star would not mean jack shite...


It's the chicken & egg scenario. You can't have one without the other. Without world class athletes playing the SEC schools, the SEC would be no different from the AAC. Again, it's the athletes themselves who provide the entertainment value.

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an 18 year old is of little value to a business regardless of football talent. A pro bowl athlete maybe....and they don't do that many commercials


Bryce Young is 19 years old. You think he wouldn't bring an added value right now to a national brand in an ad? Or how about a local business using an 18 year old Derek Stingley immediately following the Tigers 2019 title?
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21658 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:23 pm to
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Mea culpa, mea culpa.

Just attempting to get people to read and understand the what, where and why. If you read this thread and any other NIL thread on the various different boards it is amazing the amount of misinformation and pure bullshite that is being spewed.

The two links I posted above should inform our fanbase, but I fear raw emotion will prevail.


Understood
Posted by Tiger987
Member since Nov 2021
1079 posts
Posted on 12/17/21 at 10:24 pm to
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you want to deny 18+ year olds the opportunity to earn money?


Let em go get a job like everyone else until they can play PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. They're getting a dang 100k paid scholarship to play for the University. That's their payment & benefits.
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