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re: What is so wrong about expecting execellence...
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:42 am to ZoTiger6
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:42 am to ZoTiger6
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Love you people who already giving us wins over Ole Miss, Arkansas, and a bowl victory.
why are some of you marking them up as losses? why do some of you get so upset when people are optimistic?
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Did you see the step backwards we took against La Tech?
am i the only one that walked away from that game not really caring about it? couple of our starters out. i think the majority of the gameplan was to get Lee some more time throwing the ball. not a lot of effort was put into gameplanning against la tech. that game does not worry me in the least bit.
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And don't give me this inexperienced QB crap again. How long are you people gonna hold on to that?
as long as the qb is inexperienced.
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We could not stop La Tech's run game. Did you see Ole Miss' run game? We can't get to the QB, have you seen Mallet throw the ball when he has time?
you seem to be really worked up about this stuff. do yourself a favor and take a deep breath.
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Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:44 am to EyeOfTheTiger311
If we cant expect to win big then why are we still paying season tickets that go up yr after yr and damn the coaching staff? Because we love LSU and all that comes with it.
I remember sitting in the rain chanting fire Joe Dean and standing up on my bleacher in the south end zone and expected to win the game. We have the best conference and fans in the world and we shouldn't expect anything different. Were here not to settle but to be num.1 and if anyone stands in the way of that have to eliminated.
I remember sitting in the rain chanting fire Joe Dean and standing up on my bleacher in the south end zone and expected to win the game. We have the best conference and fans in the world and we shouldn't expect anything different. Were here not to settle but to be num.1 and if anyone stands in the way of that have to eliminated.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:45 am to ZoTiger6
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Did you see the step backwards we took against La Tech?
The defense played a sloppy unmotivated game. That happens...don't expect them to look like that next week.
LaTech was a scrimmage for JLee...they were obviously trying to get him plenty of reps. If they were just playing to win the game convincingly, they wouldn't have had to throw a pass the whole game.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:45 am to Dobermann
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To think this team was in serious contention to win the MNC this year is quite delusional.
at this point i totally disagree. we win out we are a top five team and if there was a playoff system like everyone has talked about then we would be in. we are an int, hurt qb, and hurt tb away from holding the top spot in the west. Ga tech, uf, bama, and ut are obviously playing better football rt now, but we have a team that could beat all of them.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:46 am to BigDogGambler
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We played 2 good teams and got handled twice.
you mean the # 1 & 2 ranked teams in the nation?
Handled? huh? I must have watched different games. vs. UF LSU got really nothing from the QB position but was still in the game in the 4th and the bam game has been spoken about enough. Or I guess LSU wasn't in that game in the 4th qtr either?
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got handled twice
I think that is the perfect example of delusion that controls some mindsets on this board
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:50 am to danfraz
Some of you idiots act like 10-2 is foregone conclusion. Yes, 10-2 is a good year for ANY team, but how will you feel with 9-3, 8-4? I'm betting some of you "positigers" beating your chest in staunch support of Mr. Miles will be singing a different tune in 2 weeks if 10-2 isn't the case.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:50 am to danfraz
danfranz,
You hit the nail on the head. We lost to the #1 and #2 ranked teams in the nation by 10 and 9 respectively.........................and somehow we got "handled"?
People need to step back into reality. We're 8-2, still ranked 8th in the BCS, and considering all the injuries and whatnot, are still having a great season. It's not a championship season, but it's still great at this point.
You hit the nail on the head. We lost to the #1 and #2 ranked teams in the nation by 10 and 9 respectively.........................and somehow we got "handled"?
People need to step back into reality. We're 8-2, still ranked 8th in the BCS, and considering all the injuries and whatnot, are still having a great season. It's not a championship season, but it's still great at this point.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:55 am to MemphisJerk
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Some of you idiots act like 10-2 is foregone conclusion.
and some act as if 8-4 is.
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Yes, 10-2 is a good year for ANY team
i agree.
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but how will you feel with 9-3, 8-4?
it would suck.
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I'm betting some of you "positigers" beating your chest in staunch support of Mr. Miles will be singing a different tune in 2 weeks if 10-2 isn't the case.
meh, not really. nobody is saying that there are no issues. but the complaints that some have are just unreasonable.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:56 am to ZoTiger6
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Love you people who already giving us wins over Ole Miss, Arkansas, and a bowl victory.
Not as much as I loved the people who were chalking up losses to UGA, UA, FLORIDA, BAMA, OLE MISS and ARKANSAS after the slow start. Seems the crystal balls can only be counted on if it churns out bad news...
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:57 am to MemphisJerk
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Some of you idiots act like 10-2 is foregone conclusion
Well that's no more unrealistic than the people who act like going 12-0 or even 11-1 year in and year out is obtainable!
There is NO CFB team that could put up that kind of record for more than 2 or maybe 3 years in a row, no matter who the coach is (or is NOT) or who the recruits are (or are not)... it's the sense of entitlement around here that drives me insane.
There are only 3 maybe 4 teams in this entire country that wouldn't trade places with us right here and right now, for what all we have at LSU. Every single frickin' year can't be YOUR year... not matter how much you want it to be. So far this year, there is still more to be happy with than all pissy about-- but some of you just can't let go of your "know-it-all", "what I deserve as a fan" crap to admit that....
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:58 am to BigDogGambler
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We played 2 good teams and got handled twice.
Loses to the #1 and #2 team in the nation by a combined 16 points is getting handled.
How would you describe what happened to SC this Saturday? Megatitanicassrapathon?
Posted on 11/16/09 at 10:58 am to dgnx6
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at this point i totally disagree
In the preseason, what was the consensus on our chances of winning the BCS? No chance, UF was going to walk all over the rest of the competition. Had anyone touted us as BCS contenders, they would have been laughed out of town.
However, as the season has played out:
-we are better than we were given credit for to start the season.
-The BCS contenders this year aren't as dominant as expected. TCU has probably been more dominant than anyone else in the top 5.
We've played the top 2 pretty close, so it's easy to say now that we're not far behind them...but we are behind them...3rd in the conference which is a long way from being in BCS contention.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 11:02 am to MemphisJerk
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Some of you idiots act like 10-2 is foregone conclusion.
See the flipside of this...it's been going on since midway through the first half against Washington.
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Yes, 10-2 is a good year for ANY team, but how will you feel with 9-3, 8-4?
considering I think most had LSU pegged for 10-2 or 9-3 this season, I'd say those who are intellectually honest and di not get overly excited and adjust their expectations midseason should be pleased. 8-4 would be a bit of a disappointment.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 11:03 am to GeauxTigerTM
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There's a difference between expecting excellence and expecting perfection.
Excellence is getting the most out of each player/and coach...
thus the record itself is only a partial indicator.
Perfection has to be toned down with realism or it can become irrational...but IT CAN BE THE GOAL...and it should be set HIGH.
Having a goal of PERFECTION will ensure that, even if it is missed, the results (by default), would still be at a high level.
GOALS SHOULD BE SET AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE
without having them seem unachievable.
IMO as I said in another post...
an 8-4 record for a team expected to go 10-2
is not good
an 8-4 record for a team expected to go 6-6
is.
it is the coaches job to elevate each player and to maximize their ability
This post was edited on 11/16/09 at 11:08 am
Posted on 11/16/09 at 11:04 am to MemphisJerk
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Some of you idiots act like 10-2 is foregone conclusion.
...and the rest of you idiots who hate Miles think 8-4 is already etched in stone.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 11:09 am to EyeOfTheTiger311
If you set unrealistic goals for yourself, (i.e. winning the SEC and playing in the National Championship game every year), you will certainly end up disappointed.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 11:14 am to EyeOfTheTiger311
This team, with it's talent, staff, and facilities, should compete for the SEC West every year. If we win the SEC West, we get to play for the SEC title, and maybe then a national one.
We did exactly that this year. We just came up a little short in Tuscaloosa and that's the way it went.
Under Les Miles:
2005 - #1 SECW
2006 - #2 SECW (1 GB)
2007 - #1 SECW
2008 - #3 SECW (5 GB)
2009 - #2 SECW (2 GB)
2008 is the only season we didn't compete for the SECW.
In the same period:
Florida:
2005 - #2 SECE (1 GB)
2006 - #1 SECE
2007 - #3 SECE (1 GB)
2008 - #1 SECE
2009 - #1 SECE
Alabama:
2005 - #3 SECW (1 GB)
2006 - #4 SECW (5 GB)
2007 - #3 SECW (2 GB)
2008 - #1 SECW
2009 - #1 SECW
We did exactly that this year. We just came up a little short in Tuscaloosa and that's the way it went.
Under Les Miles:
2005 - #1 SECW
2006 - #2 SECW (1 GB)
2007 - #1 SECW
2008 - #3 SECW (5 GB)
2009 - #2 SECW (2 GB)
2008 is the only season we didn't compete for the SECW.
In the same period:
Florida:
2005 - #2 SECE (1 GB)
2006 - #1 SECE
2007 - #3 SECE (1 GB)
2008 - #1 SECE
2009 - #1 SECE
Alabama:
2005 - #3 SECW (1 GB)
2006 - #4 SECW (5 GB)
2007 - #3 SECW (2 GB)
2008 - #1 SECW
2009 - #1 SECW
Posted on 11/16/09 at 11:20 am to Mindenfan
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If you set unrealistic goals for yourself, (i.e. winning the SEC and playing in the National Championship game every year), you will certainly end up disappointed.
that is not totally true.....
it is all in how the "small steps" are set up that lead to it......
and there has to be a touch of reality..
it is obvious that a school that went 4-8 would not be best served to use National Championship as its goal, but all of the schools in the BCS for instance can do it...but again
The FINAL GOAL is NEVER to be the emphasis
the SMALL GOALS leading to that are..
i.e. while SEC and NC goals are OK...
coaches must have the goal of ONE GAME AT A TIME or they will likely fail.
LONG TERM goals are NEVER the result of ONE goal, but that of numerous small goals.
It is better to shoot high than to fear disappointment.
Posted on 11/16/09 at 1:44 pm to BigDogGambler
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Love you people who already giving us wins over Ole Miss, Arkansas, and a bowl victory. Did you see the step backwards we took against La Tech? And don't give me this inexperienced QB crap again. How long are you people gonna hold on to that? We could not stop La Tech's run game. Did you see Ole Miss' run game? We can't get to the QB, have you seen Mallet throw the ball when he has time?
No shite, the next two will be very interesting..
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is a current record of 8-2 mediocre? Yes it is. We played 2 good teams and got handled twice.
Be careful, Logic doesnt fly around here...Thank god someone on here has some intelligence..
quote:Maybe peterson, and then LSU wouldnt have had to load the box in the 4th quarter...
If Jefferson, Scott, and Peterson don't get hurt LSU wins that game.
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If we cant expect to win big then why are we still paying season tickets that go up yr after yr and damn the coaching staff? Because we love LSU and all that comes with it.
Amen Brother!
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Gators 2008 - #1 SECE
Gators 2009 - #1 SECE
Bama 2008 - #1 SECW
Bama 2009 - #1 SECW
See the Trend?? I know its a little early, but you gotta admit, if your smart, its crossed your mind...
Posted on 11/16/09 at 1:53 pm to JustSmokin
quote:Most rational people aren't saying this. This is a false choice and a non-starter.
Something wrong with wanting to fire current coach.
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