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re: What if LSU made the run......
Posted on 3/8/16 at 3:41 pm to Scoob
Posted on 3/8/16 at 3:41 pm to Scoob
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Couple of examples- Greg Maddux and Joe Montana. Both were just average physically, neither guy was anything remotely resembling a truly elite physical prospect. But they would both beat your arse.
Yeah because it accuracy matters a great deal at both their positions. Accuracy is what seperated both of them from their contemporaries and accuracy isnt immeasurable
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Posted on 3/8/16 at 3:48 pm to Scoob
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With all the hype coming in, I was expecting more than his under-20 pt average; he's at 19.6 a game. That's good, but not overwhelming.
Who created the hype for Simmons? Not him so he is being punished for people like you expecting him to score twenty points a game, which he is only 0.4 points per game from being by the way. He is exactly what people that watched him play in high school said he was. He is not great at any one thing but he is good at everything.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 4:13 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:I'm pretty sure that neither guy was profoundly more accurate than some of their contemporaries. Joe could hit his receivers, and Maddux could hit the corners. But there was a lot more to it than that; and neither one had anywhere near elite arm strength.
Yeah because it accuracy matters a great deal at both their positions. Accuracy is what seperated both of them from their contemporaries and accuracy isnt immeasurable
Besides, those were just 2 examples. If you are arguing that "immeasurables" don't come into play, then I'd say you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 4:20 pm to rumproast
LOL...better chance of me winning the lottery. 
Posted on 3/8/16 at 4:35 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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I believe they have the talent to do so,
No we do not have the talent to win the SEC, much less the NC.Posted on 3/8/16 at 4:40 pm to geauxtigers33
quote:this is not what the hype was. He was a generational talent, a Fournette-level or above prospect on the basketball court, a guy that would make Mickey and Martin's departure irrelevant. The next Lebron. I never said that, it was the buildup I read.
He is exactly what people that watched him play in high school said he was. He is not great at any one thing but he is good at everything
He's a good player, but if he were at Kentucky or Duke, he's not someone I would say "wow, this guy is so much better than last year's guy", and when it comes to actually shooting, it seems a lot of prior prospects had a better shot, more of an offensive threat on the court, and a lot more intimidating on defense (considering his size).
He played almost 40 minutes a game at LSU, and was the primary distributor as well as the leading shooter (number of attempts). If he was on a more talent-balanced team, his numbers likely would have been a lot less. I doubt he'd have the rebounds anywhere near what he has, and he certainly wouldn't be the primary passer, so he'd have less assists too. As for points, if he played on a team with a true and consistent offensive threat, I doubt he'd be anwhere near 20 pts a game, since he doesn't have a semblance of a jumper, even at 10 ft.
I mean, look at his production vs good teams.
14 and 17 pts in 2 games vs Kentucky
10 and 16 pts in 2 games vs A&M
14 pts vs Oklahoma
20 pts vs South Carolina, but less than 50% from the FT line, a big reason we fell back at the end.
That's 20 pts once in 6 games vs teams in the dance for sure, with a team record of 2-4. That's solid, but not "OMG" greatness (which is what we were told we'd see).
His numbers get better vs bubble teams, but Vandy, Florida and Alabama should not have been threats this year, and we went 3-2 against them.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 4:43 pm to rumproast
Not gonna win much of anything if we're only relying on BS getting the ball inside or driving from the top and getting fouled and then make 55% of the FTs. The only chance we have to win the SEC Tournament is for our guards to go on a blistering hot streak and hit 50-55% of their 3's. Anything beyond the SEC Tourney is just gravy and depends on the same thing.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 4:52 pm to geauxtigers33
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He is not great at any one thing but he is good at everything
Wrong he can't shoot at all
Posted on 3/8/16 at 5:17 pm to lsupride87
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things that can't be measured or proven
Well you CAN measure wins and losses and success in the NCAA Tourney.
Ben put up unbelievable numbers....but none of that lead to team success. This is an indisputable fact. I would trade half of what he produced individually for an invite to the Dance.....and you know what? I bet Ben would too.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 5:24 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Ben put up unbelievable numbers....but none of that lead to team success.
And that's his fault somehow?
Posted on 3/8/16 at 5:32 pm to Scoob
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I'm pretty sure that neither guy was profoundly more accurate than some of their contemporaries. Joe could hit his receivers, and Maddux could hit the corners. But there was a lot more to it than that; and neither one had anywhere near elite arm strength.
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Control pitchers, who succeed by avoiding surrendering walks, are different from power pitchers who succeed by striking out batters and keeping the ball out of play. Three of the most famous examples of control pitchers in the history of baseball areChristy Mathewson, Ferguson Jenkins, and Greg Maddux, though Maddux and Jenkins have also had significant strikeout totals (they are members of the3,000 strikeout club) because of their ability to change speeds and the deceptive nature of their pitches.
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10 MOST ACCURATE QBS OF ALL TIME 10-1
2. Joe Montana
He never had the strongest arm, but that drill he talked about doing as a child paid dividends for Super Joe. He once said growing up in Pennsylvania his father hung an old tire from a tree in the backyard and Montana would throw footballs through it as it swung back and forth. This served him well as he was able to put the ball in tight situations as well as on time, and complete passes that would help make the West Coast Offence become the most prolific style of offence in NFL history. Because of the training of throwing a ball through a moving tire he was able to hit receivers in stride and allow them to pile up yards after the catch, Jerry Rice anyone? Not only did he have a great ability at completing passes, Montana would also put the pass in a spot which allowed his receivers to do the most damage.
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:43 pm to lsu2006
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And that's his fault somehow?
He certainly has to share in the blame....and since the spotlight burned brightest on him.....he's going to get the lion's share of the criticism for not making the tournament....at least among the players. Now JJ is a whole other story.
Personally, I'd lay a lot on blame at TQ's feet. His erratic play and selfishness cost us some games for sure.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 6:44 am to RedTigerRulz
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Ben put up unbelievable numbers
Statements like this are just ridiculous. His numbers are very good, but people need to stop acting like what he did this year was amazing. Or if you do start talking about his stats, don't forget to include turnovers.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 7:16 am to rumproast
Stop the madness...
Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:21 am to T
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His numbers are very good
Seriously? Kinda like the pope is sorta Catholic? These numbers would be outstanding for a senior. I think you're shorting the kid a bit. His freshman numbers compare to some of the best ever....I just wish he could have been more of a vocal leader for this team. I'm giving him a pass on this though because he's a Frosh and it doesn't seem to be his personality either.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:45 am to TigerBait1127
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You'd suck them?
would be the most action anyone on this board has seen all year
Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:51 am to RedTigerRulz
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I think you're shorting the kid a bit. His freshman numbers compare to some of the best ever
Get real. Enough with the his numbers compare to the best ever stuff. Like i said, theyare very good, but not even close to legendary status. And lets not act like being a freshman makes it super special. He's 19 and the game is mostly underclassman now.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:14 am to RedTigerRulz
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Ben put up unbelievable numbers....but none of that lead to team success. This is an indisputable fact. I would trade half of what he produced individually for an invite to the Dance.....and you know what? I bet Ben would too.
I got a hundred million dollar shoe deal says he wouldn't.....
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:42 am to rumproast
What if you stopped posting
Posted on 3/9/16 at 4:32 pm to lsupride87
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It could happen easily if Simmons played like half of the hype.
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20, 11, and 5 isnt half the hype?
Living up to the hype isn't all about his stat line. Yes, his stats were very good, but he didn't affect games like I expect a superstar to.
Didn't his stats seem hollow? At the end of the game, you check the box score and he had good numbers, but yet in many games I honestly had to look hard to make sure he was actually on the floor, because he seemed to have little impact on the game.
His stats were very "quiet," and he didn't take over at the end of close games to lead us to wins. 18-13, with a decent roster, in a weak conference and with a very weak OOC schedule really says it all.
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 4:33 pm
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