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re: What I am gathering from the Les Miles radio show
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:45 pm to Nuts4LSU
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:45 pm to Nuts4LSU
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For the most part, last year's problems occurred against good offensive teams (for example, UT and OSU didn't do all that well offensively against us). This year, it's against good and bad offensive teams.
ole miss: 91st
auburn: 97th
alabama: 75th
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Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they got up 17-0 because of the gameplan
That is incorrect. The 70-yard TD pass was a fortunate bounce ... and I know you're one that wants LSU to blitz more, so it must be pointed out that that play went for a TD BECAUSE we blitzed.
When you go three-and-out on your first possession, that's not necessarily unbelievable because 9 out of 10 times on the road early a team isn't going to have success moving the ball ... they get good field position and bam they're up 14-0 before the game has ever started basically, and truth be told it was ball game right there.
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we didn't change the gameplan at all during the game. no adjustments on D
This is simply not true -- and while others won't call you on it -- I will ... you lose credibility when you make statements that are simply not true. Either 1) you don't know what you're talking about or 2)you're making an over-generalized statement to make a point. That said, I believe it's probably #2.
This post was edited on 10/15/08 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:46 pm to Nuts4LSU
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You are either going to leave your front 4 alone to create a pass rush, or your back 4 alone to cover receivers.
either way, they're going to pass on us
might as well get pressure and cause some negative plays along with the big pass plays
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I guess the coaches think the front 4 have a better chance of getting their job done without any help, but then that went wrong for us when Alexander and Jean-Francois got hurt.
they weren't hurt against AU
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we have a serious weakness in the secondary right now.
i honestly don't believe this
i think our gamplan puts too much pressure on them and any QB would tear apart man coverage with 5-6 seconds of coverage on most plays
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:48 pm to JPLSU1981
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That is incorrect. The 70-yard TD pass was a fortunate bounce
great matchup for UF
unfortunate throw from TT led to mccray having a chance to make a play: he didn't
again. great matchup for UF
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and truth be told it was ball game right there.
not it wasn't
we were down 6 in the 3rd, but our D fricking sucked it up and couldn't make a stop
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:48 pm to Nuts4LSU
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True, but it's a case of pick your poison. You are either going to leave your front 4 alone to create a pass rush, or your back 4 alone to cover receivers. Of the two groups, I guess the coaches think the front 4 have a better chance of getting their job done without any help, but then that went wrong for us when Alexander and Jean-Francois got hurt. It's a bad situation either way, so you have to try to find the lesser of two evils.
Let me give you a choice.
Get burned every now and then, but force bad decisions leading to turnovers and sacks and losses
or
Get burned every now and then, but don't generate any negative plays.
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The bottom line is that you can't be a good defense when you have a serious weakness in one whole unit of the defense, and we have a serious weakness in the secondary right now.
This the secondary is going to get burned every play paranoia is getting out of hand. Many of our new starters have actually played well when given the chance but no one can cover forever.
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:49 pm to JPLSU1981
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That is incorrect. The 70-yard TD pass was a fortunate bounce ... and I know you're one that wants LSU to blitz more, so it must be pointed out that that play went for a TD BECAUSE we blitzed.
McCray on Harvin was not bad personnel choice? I think it was. Should have had secondary help as well, but it wasn't there.
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we were down 6 in the 3rd, but our D fricking sucked it up and couldn't make a stop
Now that I definitely agree with. If we wanted to win that game, that was the time to do it and our D simply didn't get the job done.
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:51 pm to JPLSU1981
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You can't get behind 17-0 on the road against Florida and expect to win,
Actually, it was 20-0, but the effect of that was greatly diminished when we got it back within 20-14. The problem was that, even though we were back in the game and had momentum, we just didn't have any answers on defense, so we couldn't get our offense the ball back within one score. Even at 27-14, we weren't out of it, but Lee barely threw behind Lafell on third down when he would have had big yardage, and instead it killed our drive. Then the defense went right back out there and gave up another easy touchdown.
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our offense is certainly not helping the defense. It goes without saying that when WE have the ball, the other team DOES NOT. When you're offense can't at least get a couple first downs on most drives (not necessarily score, but at least move the ball a little), your defense is certainly not put in a very good position to have consistent success against a quick-strike offense.
Our offense moved the ball and scored against every team we've faced for the past two years, with the exception (to some extent) of last Saturday night. The offense isn't playing perfectly by any stretch, but they are playing much better than the defense right now.
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:51 pm to JPLSU1981
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That is incorrect. The 70-yard TD pass was a fortunate bounce ... and I know you're one that wants LSU to blitz more, so it must be pointed out that that play went for a TD BECAUSE we blitzed.
No we got burned because we matched our worst DB on their best WR and he got burned(Harvin was three steps behind McCray well thrown ball would have been a TD anyway)
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This is simply not true
so what changes did we make, and pray tell how were they good? We adjusted our points allowed from 20 in the first half to 31 in the second.
Great adjustments.
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:51 pm to LSUtigahs28
quote:and his sucked etc. etc....
I don't pay for SFP's salary I do pay for Les Miles' which gives me the right to criticize.
Granted that we all saw or know the game (some of us watching it more than once)...none of us saw the actual gameplan Miles, Crowton, and the DC's created. Diagnosing the failure from Saturday night: How much was plan and how much poor execution? Can we really answer that question for indivdual series and or individual plays? Sometimes, perhaps we have a pretty good idea. But who knows which player has which assignment for a given play call-- for every play? And which one blew it on any given play? (See remarks in Miles' presser). And when does a player's play become "poor" only because of superior opponents-- as in this week's superiority of Florida speed, quarterback, home field, etc.
This post was edited on 10/15/08 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:52 pm to Aktig
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Should have had secondary help as well, but it wasn't there.
It wasn't there because we blitzed and brought pressure ... like many LSU fans are clammoring for them to do!
The street goes both ways ... bring pressure, but if you do you must realize that you're gonna get burned by it every now and again.
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:53 pm to ATR
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none of us saw the gameplan Miles, Crowton, and the DC's created.
the gameplan was no different than it has been for a long, long time (defensively)
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:54 pm to JPLSU1981
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The street goes both ways ... bring pressure, but if you do you must realize that you're gonna get burned by it every now and again.
we got burned like 10 times that game. once game when we blitzed
fyi, blitzing is ineffective if your DL is nothing more than block occupiers
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:54 pm to ATR
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How much was plan and how much poor execution?
On mildly relevant at this point.
Preparing a game plan and getting the team ready to execute it are the two jobs of the Coordinators. BDP and Mallory fricked up one of these take you choice.
FWIW It was the game plan the read and react defense was terrible.
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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ole miss: 91st
True, but Schaffer and a very different game plan that was well suited to our banged up defense produced a very atypical performance by them.
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auburn: 97th
Less than 300 yards and only 17 offensive points against LSU.
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alabama: 75th
About 250 yards and only 17 offensive points against LSU (I don't count the punt return and the easy scores off Flynn's interceptions against the defense).
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:54 pm to ATR
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Granted that we all saw the game (some of us watching it more than once)...none of us saw the gameplan Miles, Crowton, and the DC's created. How much was plan and how much poor execution?
Whether its execution or game planning, its still on the staffs shoulders to make it work. Having two weeks to prepare when you have the Ole Miss and Michigan game film is plenty of time to have the right guys in the right places.
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:55 pm to LSUtigahs28
Look, I'm not claiming the adjustments made were the "right" adjustments ... I think they should have continued with the pressure even though we got burned on it early.
My only point is that it's not accurate that we just sat back and did the same thing the entire game, because that is not true.
If you don't believe me (which you shouldn't, I'm just some random guy), call Gordy and ask him. 499-9898 He knows more about football than 99% of the board.
My only point is that it's not accurate that we just sat back and did the same thing the entire game, because that is not true.
If you don't believe me (which you shouldn't, I'm just some random guy), call Gordy and ask him. 499-9898 He knows more about football than 99% of the board.
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:56 pm to Nuts4LSU
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True, but Schaffer and a very different game plan that was well suited to our banged up defense produced a very atypical performance by them.
schaeffer was so bad he got benched. and yes the gameplan was different, but it was not an atypical performance. our D fricking sucks against any option-based team
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:57 pm to JPLSU1981
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it's not accurate that we just sat back and did the same thing the entire game, because that is not true.
no it pretty much is true
cover 2-man over and over and over
Posted on 10/15/08 at 9:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Can you summarize for us that unchanging failure of a gameplan, Slow?
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