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What exactly is the reason for "Third and LSU"?

Posted on 9/8/23 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Dratini
Member since Aug 2023
541 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 4:48 pm
This isn't a negativity post, I'm genuinely curious.

The last few years (barring 2019), it seems that we simply cannot get off the damn field when it matters.

It's gotten to the point that every time the FSU QB dropped back on a third down, you just knew they were going to convert. UCLA as well. You can feel it in the air almost

When did it start?
Posted by WackyChris
Da Parish, Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
2866 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 4:49 pm to
quote:

When did it start?



John Chavis.
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
82085 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 4:51 pm to
Lou Tepper
Posted by saturncube21
Member since Nov 2015
9404 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 4:52 pm to
3rd and House now
Posted by Gheaust77
Member since Sep 2023
27 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 4:53 pm to
quote:

Lou Tepper


Whoever schemed Perkins out of the game last week definitely read his book about the “drop linebacker.”
Posted by classicgold
bfe
Member since Feb 2017
6019 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:00 pm to
quote:

3rd and House now


Offenses have us right where they want us in 3rd and 15 situations.
Posted by BadaBingBadaBoom
Lafourche Parish
Member since Mar 2022
2459 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:02 pm to
Bo Pelini School of Pain
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77241 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:05 pm to
quote:

John Chavis.


Which is funny considering while at Tennessee he had some of the greatest SEC defenses on of all time from around 97-02.
Posted by BadaBingBadaBoom
Lafourche Parish
Member since Mar 2022
2459 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:06 pm to
quote:

Which is funny considering while at Tennessee he had some of the greatest SEC defenses on of all time from around 97-02.


Actually put together some pretty good defenses here
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
35334 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:23 pm to
quote:

Lou Tepper
stop bragging about your accurate history.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38027 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:38 pm to
quote:

quote:

Which is funny considering while at Tennessee he had some of the greatest SEC defenses on of all time from around 97-02.



Actually put together some pretty good defenses here




Kinda funny how DCs go from GOAT to crap at warp speed on tRant
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10531 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:42 pm to
Because House is the Les Mile version of defensive coordinator. I know this will get downvoted but he's not that good of a defensive coordinator. He expects his guys to win their battle strait up with no wrinkles or disguising the call. We very rarely blitz and when we do it's telegraphed for the offense to pick it up. There are no d-line stunts, and they play the d-ends a lot to contain. Even when it's not working, he just keeps doing the same thing every play. Teams have figured this out and that's why we gave up a lot of points on first drives and teams converted 3rd downs. He's trying to play NFL defense with college players against college offenses.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
68124 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

Lou Tepper


Opposing teams never had to experience a third down with Tepper.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
45412 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:48 pm to
quote:

Which is funny considering while at Tennessee he had some of the greatest SEC defenses on of all time from around 97-02.



Longer than that. I wanna say the year before he came here UT had the #1 defense in the SEC despite the worst offense keeping them on the field.

That said, the "3rd and Chavis" thing originated at UT, though like you said he had some good-great defenses there.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
18494 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:49 pm to
quote:

Which is funny considering while at Tennessee he had some of the greatest SEC defenses on of all time from around 97-02.


He did and he had some great defenses here. But Tennessee people were warning us here on the Rant when we hired him that we’d get frustrated by “Third and Chavis.” That expression originated when he was at Tennessee, not after he came to LSU.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75439 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:06 pm to
we haven’t had a pass rusher with double digit sacks since 2016.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:15 pm to
quote:

Which is funny considering while at Tennessee he had some of the greatest SEC defenses on of all time from around 97-02.


He had great defenses at LSU to but third down was always his weakest area. 3rd and Chavis actually started at Tennessee.
Posted by Gavin Elster
Member since Mar 2020
2957 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:20 pm to
I don’t know what it’s been in the past but I know what it was in the last game. The 3 man rush. When you give a good qb, at any level, the opportunity to sit back and just wait for a receiver to get open, they will deliver time and time again. When Brees was in New Orleans and Burrow at LSU there would inevitably be a dc who decided to use this strategy. And I knew, every time they did it, they were about to get torched. And they did. House needs to be corrected or fired at the end of the season. The 3 man rush didn’t work, doesn’t work and will never work. The only excuse to use it would be with seconds left and the opponent needing to go a long way for a score to win. Not in the heat of a close game when you have your opponent in 3rd and long.
Posted by jmon
Loisiana
Member since Oct 2010
9243 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:27 pm to
It's never been third and LSU.

Insert defensive coordinator's name.
Posted by WDAIII
Member since Aug 2020
4205 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:30 pm to
Bad D coordinators except for Aranda
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