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re: What do some of you not understand about Brandon Harris??

Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:13 am to
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:13 am to
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WildTchoupitoulas


That was fun! Now do Jennings getting every snap against Arkansas!!!
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:13 am to
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And then you have the rantarded fricktards like this.

Prove me wrong!

It's so obvious, you're blind if you can't see it!

But everyone knows you sunshine pumpers are all blind to REALITY!!!1! [done in my best dukke v style].
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:18 am to
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miles has made corrections over the years but it seems like it's always a season too late

i.e.:

co-dc's
crowton
welter/beckwith


Throw in clock management with this
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29268 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:19 am to
why does no one bring up new mexico state and jennings?

that was the worst start of any LSU QB that i've ever seen. 3 Turnovers by the QB in the first 4 possessions.

against new mexico state? the staff apparently agreed and started harris at auburn for his first game starting ever. he was clearly pressing and nervous.

then he was injured in the game and jennings comes in to do diddly poo.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28588 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:19 am to
1. I'm not as high on Harris as others are around here (I think his accuracy is suspect). However, we really can't say one way or the other until the kid plays more than he has one start and other appearances against bad teams/garbage time.

2. I'm sure the offense LSU runs is more complicated than us, the avg. fan knows. Nonetheless, it can't be THAT much more complicated. Even with Harris in, LSU wants to run the ball at least 60% of the time. The QB may adjust the blocking at the line on run plays, but they have never been concerned about checking to a pass when facing 8-9 men in the box. I can't imagine Harris couldn't handle running the ball on 1st/2nd downs and taking the occasional deep shot or forced pass on 3rd down.

3. Regardless of who plays, neither of these guys really want to be "pocket passers". Jennings will at least step up/hang in the pocket (many times too long). Harris wants to do what's natural to him and get on the run ASAP. LSU does neither of them any favors by forcing them into tough situations.

4. It's clearly evident that Harris has a ton of confidence in his ability. Honestly, I think that worries the coaching staff that he will go "off script" and potentially make a bad play. Maybe more than any other team in college football, LSU is terrified of turnovers. I think that is why you see Jennings be so hesitant to throw passes. Notice that some of his best performances (Ark. '13, 2nd half of Wisc.; late against UF) came when LSU had no choice but to let him freely throw the football (even if the risk of a TO was increased). I think Jennings and Harris can both be playmakers if allowed to do so. Right now they've molded Jennings into being a "game manager". I think they're just not their yet with Harris. He still has the mindset of being a playmaker. Once he buys in to being an ultra-conservative QB, he'll play more (which is just sad)
Posted by TG
Metairie
Member since Sep 2004
3062 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:19 am to
Lining up under the center is new to him. Give him time.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64767 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:21 am to
How much confidence you think Jennings has after his awful performances?

From Jennings own mouth... It is up to me to get these guys to do the right things... This is MY team to lead. He does not feel the bad of his performance in his own words.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18175 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:22 am to
come on, folks, the "Harris doesn't know the playbook" excuse is complete BS. College playbooks (especially ours, with our vanilla offense) aren't too complicated. Harris has been here since the spring. He knows the playbook.

If he didn't, why did the coaches start him against Auburn, on the road, early in the year?

So drop the "playbook" excuse, it's a diversion.
Posted by TigerMac81
Bossier City, LA
Member since Dec 2007
3271 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:25 am to
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Maybe more than any other team in college football, LSU is terrified of turnovers.


THIS!

2008 scrambled Miles's brain forever.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:26 am to
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3. Regardless of who plays, neither of these guys really want to be "pocket passers".


This is a stupid, black vs white type argument. Harris has said that the type of QB he looks up to isn't a Mike Vick or Cam Newton type, it's Aaron Rodgers. I want a QB that can make all the throws and that isn't a statue. See Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers.

While we are on the subject, do you condiser Tom Brady to be a pocket passer? How about Peyton Manning? Ever watch those guys play? Next time, look at how often they are in the gun and how many receiving options they have to throw to on passes.

These 1-2 man passing plays kill our QBs. Acting like a "pocket passer" would make things better is a lazy arse argument.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18504 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:28 am to
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It's clearly evident that Harris has a ton of confidence in his ability. Honestly, I think that worries the coaching staff that he will go "off script" and potentially make a bad play.
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think they're just not their yet with Harris. He still has the mindset of being a playmaker. Once he buys in to being an ultra-conservative QB, he'll play more (which is just sad)
You sir are brilliant. For Harris to get on the field, he's gonna have to prove that he can play within the scheme of the offense.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10050 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:29 am to
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Under this regime, if you are a young player you will not supplant someone with more experience unless you prove it Sunday to Friday. Bottom line, end of story. How you people still have trouble comprehending that is beyond me.


We people don't have any trouble understanding this is the way it is and always will be. We just all realize how assinine this line of thinking is when the players being given snaps are some of the worst of all time.

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To say the staff was clueless on when to plug Beckwith in when his play IMMEDIATELY improved after being the starter is ridiculous. If anything, their uncertainty of when to start someone is evident with Harris at Auburn, not Beckwith.


It's not ridiculous at all when you actually pay attention. Beckwith's plays for game increased each week. His play got better as his snaps increased. Even with minimal snaps, he outperformed Welter each week he played.

How can you pumpers keep crying Harris @ Auburn when Jennings performance the week before, at home, against NM St, was leaps and bounds worse? He turned the ball over 3 times in 1 qtr against one of the worst teams in the FBS for Christ's sake. All that hard work at practive sure paid off!

Look, I get coaches wanting a player to work his arse off in order to maximize his abilities. They won't ever reach their potential if they don't learn this trait. But I'm also not foolish enough to think 2 things:

1. Proving you are better than the guy in front of you and still not getting snaps is about the most frustrating thing that could happen to a young player. No one has said Harris doesn't work hard, Jennings just happens to work harder though he has not shown a single flash of being a GOOD QB. Why would Jennings work harder when the best player sees the field everywhere else. (Some of them are rapists and steal crab legs)

2. Doing the same exact thing over and over with the same results expecting something different to happen is a freaking sign of insanity. Jennings has now started 11 games for the Tigers. He has thrown for 9 TD's and 7 Int's in that span. 3 of the Int's were in the last 4 games where he also fumbled the ball. He is getting worse and our coach has thrown every single unit under the bus in the process of defending him.

Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Communist USA
Member since Nov 2007
12193 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:32 am to
OK smart guy, just how is Harris supposed to get better in high pressure situations sitting on his arse collecting splinters?
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29268 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:34 am to
this "scheme" sucks.

it's predictable, lacks creativity, has no intention of misdirection, doesn't try to fool anyone on the defense, and overall has ZERO fluidity to it.

nothing comes easy it seems like. there are no bread and butter plays. the only identity that the offense has is running the ball up the middle into 8-10 man fronts.

it involves ZERO risk. None. it's the greatest example of scared play calling in the entire SEC.

for anyone to defend the arkansas loss tells me that they don't watch any other football teams play other than LSU.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:34 am to
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That was fun! Now do Jennings getting every snap against Arkansas!!!

Easy, that won't let Harris wear wires due to his terrorist status, so Jennings got the electric socks. That led to Harris getting frostbite on his toes. That's why he had to sit.

Well, that and the fact that Miles caught Harris giving signals away to the Arkansas bench, so he's in the dog house now.

He's in the doghouse now
I told him once or maybe twice
To quit giving away plays or he'd pay the price
He's in the doghouse now...
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 9:54 am
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
30065 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:36 am to
And jennings is "ready?"

What the hell does that even mean
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
4870 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:37 am to
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The coaches see Harris at practice and know how he is progressing but the young man is a TRUE FRESHMAN and you can ruin a player by putting him in when he isn't ready and doesn't have the confidence of the other players.



There have been opportunities to get him into other games -- situations that can help him get back in rhythm and give him more confidence and experience.
And if nothing else, he could have been put in situationally to utilize his running ability.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10050 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:39 am to
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4. It's clearly evident that Harris has a ton of confidence in his ability. Honestly, I think that worries the coaching staff that he will go "off script" and potentially make a bad play.


As opposed to AJ sticking with the play call, which is in fact a bad play.

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Maybe more than any other team in college football, LSU is terrified of turnovers.


Then why go with the guy that turns it over at a higher rate?

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Notice that some of his best performances (Ark. '13, 2nd half of Wisc.; late against UF) came when LSU had no choice but to let him freely throw the football (even if the risk of a TO was increased).


No QB in football history has been given more chances than AJ. He is literally at 0% risk of losing his job. The one against Ole Miss was costly and gave them a short field. The one against Bama gave them 3 points that certainly could have been the difference in losing that game. The fumble against Ark was one of 2 chance to actually put points on the board.

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I think they're just not their yet with Harris. He still has the mindset of being a playmaker. Once he buys in to being an ultra-conservative QB, he'll play more (which is just sad)


Exactly! They don't want to let a QB free until he is a JR or SR. It is the sole reason why very few talented QB's have wanted to come here despite the elite D backing them up and the onslaught of offensive fire power at their disposal. What parent would be justified in trusting Miles with their highly sought after QB son?
Posted by Katy Tiger
Houston area
Member since Sep 2004
8032 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:39 am to
So if Harris is not ready and AJ is one of the worst QBs in the conference, then what are our options? Do nothing and stick with the guy that gives us no chance to win?
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14905 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:39 am to
someone should do a study on whether playing time helps players improve
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