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re: What do LSU fans generally think of Mark Richt as a coach?
Posted on 10/21/08 at 2:56 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
Posted on 10/21/08 at 2:56 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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As a combination coach, recruiter, and program-builder, I don't think he takes a back seat to anyone in the SEC and if he does, it's not by much. He has won the SEC and had elite/top 5 national finishes. I don't think you can ask more than that. I love that the Tigers have won a couple of NC's lately, but there is usually some luck invovled just in getting to the game.
+1. Sorta like Frank Beamer in some ways. A very successful program even though there always seems to be something that keeps them out of the Big Game at the End.
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I do think Richt went overboard in making the case for the Dawgs being in the NC game when his team had not won the SEC and had been beaten decisively by SECCG participant TN.
Naw. Any coach who doesn't stand up for his program when trolling for votes doesn't have any balls and won't get any, either.
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Posted on 10/21/08 at 3:01 pm to foshizzle
Posted on 10/21/08 at 3:03 pm to FrodgieBoolatz
I think he is a hell of a coach...period!!
Posted on 10/21/08 at 3:07 pm to FrodgieBoolatz
An good friend once told me, never trust a man over 30 that still parts his hair in the middle.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 3:44 pm to dawgorama
He brings talent in, but I can just hear him say
"what the hell do I do now?"
in my opinion he has not developed his talent to ALL IT COULD BE.
nevertheless, he has won a substantial amount of games and I believe 2 SEC Champioships...not all bad
"what the hell do I do now?"
in my opinion he has not developed his talent to ALL IT COULD BE.
nevertheless, he has won a substantial amount of games and I believe 2 SEC Champioships...not all bad
This post was edited on 10/21/08 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 10/21/08 at 4:50 pm to rbdallas
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in my opinion he has not developed his talent to ALL IT COULD BE.
Like I said earlier, I think a lot of people here really overestimate the talent Georgia has had this decade.
Georgia recruited 13 OL from 2003-2005. 11 were gone by the end of 2006. That would be a major hole for any team, especially in the SEC, and that is what Richt has been having to play around for the last 3 years.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 5:02 pm to FrodgieBoolatz
I live about 45 miles from Athens. People down here are nuts about Richt. I've jokingly bashed him to a UGA alum I know in front of other UGA fans and I've seriously had people turn red in the face with anger.
Not even bad stuff, just that he hasn't controlled his team off the field this season, but it doesn't matter to anyone cause he's a good Christian.
I haven't read the 10 pages in this thread, but I'd imagine I'm going to repeat what most have said.
I think Richt is a good guy. He's a solid recruiter, but definitely needs to lock up Georgia the way Saban/Miles have Louisiana and Saban is doing again in Alabama. South Georgia is understandable cause it's so far from Athens, but Atlanta kids go to Auburn or Florida all the time.
Richt's teams have never played consistent. They'll win 8 or 9 games a year almost every year, which is consistent, but they play down to a few teams a year, and have lost those games before.
I think someone said it best at the beginning of the thread, there's no coach in the SEC that does less with more. UGA's not going to fire him, he's winning 9 games a season, but the way people talk about him here in Georgia is ridiculous.
Not even bad stuff, just that he hasn't controlled his team off the field this season, but it doesn't matter to anyone cause he's a good Christian.
I haven't read the 10 pages in this thread, but I'd imagine I'm going to repeat what most have said.
I think Richt is a good guy. He's a solid recruiter, but definitely needs to lock up Georgia the way Saban/Miles have Louisiana and Saban is doing again in Alabama. South Georgia is understandable cause it's so far from Athens, but Atlanta kids go to Auburn or Florida all the time.
Richt's teams have never played consistent. They'll win 8 or 9 games a year almost every year, which is consistent, but they play down to a few teams a year, and have lost those games before.
I think someone said it best at the beginning of the thread, there's no coach in the SEC that does less with more. UGA's not going to fire him, he's winning 9 games a season, but the way people talk about him here in Georgia is ridiculous.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 5:07 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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I would say that Richt is a top-tier SEC coach that has never gotten it done on the biggest stage. He is 2-1 in the SEC Championship game, which is more than I can say for most SEC coaches.
He consistently has a highly rated team that loses to teams that shouldn't beat them. He has built a very successful program, but has never put it all together in one year.
And he appears to be a whiny bitch.
+1
Posted on 10/21/08 at 5:09 pm to motorbreath
The best coach in the SEC.
Posted on 10/21/08 at 5:20 pm to FrodgieBoolatz
dude, it's amazing your still blowing Ga.'s horn, UGA gets as much top notch talent as anyone in the SEC, I said this at the beginning of this thread and I'm telling you again, your excuse about them not being able to compete with top tier SEC teams every year is lame because the top teams always reload.
This post was edited on 10/21/08 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 10/21/08 at 8:17 pm to TiGeRTeRRoR
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He's a solid recruiter, but definitely needs to lock up Georgia the way Saban/Miles have Louisiana and Saban is doing again in Alabama. South Georgia is understandable cause it's so far from Athens, but Atlanta kids go to Auburn or Florida all the time.
So then his talent hasn't been as good as what others have had this decade, right?
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Richt's teams have never played consistent. They'll win 8 or 9 games a year almost every year, which is consistent, but they play down to a few teams a year, and have lost those games before.
8 or 9 games? Since his first season as a head coach when we won 8, Georgia has only had one season with less than 10 wins (2006 with 9). UGA under Richt (2001-) has only one loss more than LSU in that time. One.
So... Richt is an overrated, inconsistent coach who regularly blows games, etc. What does that make LSU and its one less loss in Richt's time?
Jeez, "he doesn't have a MNC" sounds absolutely brilliant compared to that.
This post was edited on 10/21/08 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 10/22/08 at 3:18 am to FrodgieBoolatz
I thought Richt was a good coach until I saw how in 2004, he said the teams primary goal for that season was to beat LSU. This game was the one that if they were to win only one game all season long it would be the LSU game. Why? revenge for the 2 losses in 2003? C'mon, half the 2003 starters were gone by then. It was a gimmick to embarrass Saban, since Saban embarrassed him twice in 03.
The 2004 UGA team was arguably the most talented and underachieving squad Richt has had at UGA(David Greene and David Pollack were seniors, Brian Van gorder's last yr as DC).
Why would you put so much focus in to beating a west-division school that is not even a annual rival? What is the strategy in that? It was such an important game to Richt that when Saban told the media there were 5 games on our schedule more relevant than the Georgia game, Richt used that as bulletin board material, since it was their Super Bowl.
They lost to a bad Tennessee team at home the week after they dismantled LSU, and played mediocre the rest of the season including a bad loss to Auburn. Why worry about those games, they accomplished their season's #1 goal, beat LSU.
That team team was preseason #4 and could have likely had a shot at USC for the Crystal Ball had their coach focused the team on bigger goals than just beating LSU. Fulmer, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles, Saban all have won MNC's and do not rely on the motivational gimmicks like Richt and Houston Nutt do.
The 2004 UGA team was arguably the most talented and underachieving squad Richt has had at UGA(David Greene and David Pollack were seniors, Brian Van gorder's last yr as DC).
Why would you put so much focus in to beating a west-division school that is not even a annual rival? What is the strategy in that? It was such an important game to Richt that when Saban told the media there were 5 games on our schedule more relevant than the Georgia game, Richt used that as bulletin board material, since it was their Super Bowl.
They lost to a bad Tennessee team at home the week after they dismantled LSU, and played mediocre the rest of the season including a bad loss to Auburn. Why worry about those games, they accomplished their season's #1 goal, beat LSU.
That team team was preseason #4 and could have likely had a shot at USC for the Crystal Ball had their coach focused the team on bigger goals than just beating LSU. Fulmer, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles, Saban all have won MNC's and do not rely on the motivational gimmicks like Richt and Houston Nutt do.
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 3:22 am
Posted on 10/22/08 at 4:10 am to FrodgieBoolatz
Posted on 10/22/08 at 5:37 am to FrodgieBoolatz
I have difficulty reconciling his "Christian Values" persona with the black shirts, team discipline issues and sportsmanship penalty against Florida last year. You can't have it both ways.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 7:54 am to Dobermann
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Why would you put so much focus in to beating a west-division school that is not even a annual rival? What is the strategy in that?
I don't remember his doing this at all, fwiw. Do you have a link to any of these comments?
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The 2004 UGA team was arguably the most talented and underachieving squad Richt has had at UGA(David Greene and David Pollack were seniors, Brian Van gorder's last yr as DC).
Pre-season #4, finished #7. Disappointing yes, but hardly some total collapse. That team wasn't without its weaknesses (i.e. average RBs, a slow QB who played way above his natural ability many times... but often didn't (i.e. UT '04)).
And a bad loss to Auburn? '04 Auburn was loaded and more talented than UGA (entire offensive backfield went on to be NFL starters... none for UGA) and got UGA at home.
David Greene was a 3-star talent who was coached way, way up, imho.
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 7:55 am
Posted on 10/22/08 at 7:57 am to Soft_Parade
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I have difficulty reconciling his "Christian Values" persona with the black shirts
WTF?
Posted on 10/22/08 at 9:07 am to Rocket
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I think he's a good coach and a good man and some of the premises for the arguments made against him by some folks in this thread are completely fricked up and out of whack.
Yep.
Fwiw, I was just curious to see the general take from LSU fans. Filtering through the typical mindless idiocy that one finds on any CFB message board (UGASports.com's forums are a total waste now having been overrun by such people), there are some thoughtful posters here who made a lot of rational arguments for and against Richt.
Good thread, imho.
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 9:09 am
Posted on 10/22/08 at 9:15 am to FrodgieBoolatz
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I don't remember his doing this at all, fwiw. Do you have a link to any of these comments?
This is true. I don't have a link or anything, but I remember Richt saying that if UGA can prepare to beat LSU, they will be good enough to win the SEC, since LSU was at the beginning of the season. So they circled the LSU game on their calendar. I also thought it was totally ridiculous to put that much emphasis on one game.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 9:23 am to DrEdgeLSU
not aggressive enough. too passive. he is, obviously, a good coach. if he could add a national championship; heck, even get into the big game and play well - we would all have to admit his style works.
Posted on 10/22/08 at 9:26 am to Chimlim
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This is true. I don't have a link or anything, but I remember Richt saying that if UGA can prepare to beat LSU, they will be good enough to win the SEC, since LSU was at the beginning of the season. So they circled the LSU game on their calendar. I also thought it was totally ridiculous to put that much emphasis on one game.
Fair enough. I asked for a link because a lot of the comments here on other things Richt has done/said are pretty funny in how far off they are (as happens among fan bases of rival teams I realize), but given it was 2004... whatever. UGA definitely didn't show up for the UT game after the LSU game that year, so either way, that one's on Richt. (He also made a bad move sticking with Greene over Shockley for too long in that game. Definitely one of his worst days at UGA.)
But LSU/UT '04 mistake aside (and we can all find similar mistakes for every coach of course), we still have a coach that despite playing in the toughest division of the toughest conference in CFB is one of the winningest coaches in CFB this decade. LSU is one of the top 2 programs of the decade... yet Richt, playing in the tougher division of the SEC has only one loss less than LSU during that time. Hard to see how one loss less than the program of the decade makes for anything less than a great coach (applying rational, consistent standards to all CFB coaches of course).
This post was edited on 10/22/08 at 9:28 am
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