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What are the Rules Regarding Analysts Coaching Players

Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:27 am
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
13945 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:27 am
For the Advocate

quote:

Brennan returned to LSU’s facility last Monday determined to improve, teammates said. He drilled daily with offensive analyst Russ Callaway on stepping up in the pocket, feeling the rush and delivering a catchable pass.


Posted by sportsman2582
East Baton Rouge Parish
Member since Apr 2018
727 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:31 am to
Holy shite. Drilled daily. He’s definitely giving it his all!!!

Not dragging Brennan, who played well Saturday, he just has no dog in him
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26654 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:37 am to
There are virtually no rules.

Analysts act as full time coaches now.

They were originally supposed to be off the field, but the big programs have continually flaunted that rule with no pushback, so they can do anything.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93646 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:40 am to
When I read that it made me think of Chark saying that Sullivan helped him on his route running.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12371 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:40 am to
Correct. Everyone remembers Butch Jones in the Bama sideline during the national title game. The only difference with analysts is the amount paid. They're essentially coaches at a bargain.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
71352 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:41 am to
Jorge Munoz was on the sideline with a headset all last year
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:41 am to
Munoz was basically the QB coach last year.

I think there is some gray area in working with players during practice vs outside of practice hours
Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
10464 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:00 pm to
Callaway is effectively serving as the QB coach.

He absolutely needs to have a greater role overall in the offense.
Posted by LSU CrayCray
Winter Haven
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:27 pm to
Way to support him! ??
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

I think there is some gray area in working with players during practice vs outside of practice hours
This sums it up.

In CFB you are always under 3 sets of rules, and that goes for everybody: On the Field, In the Fieldhouse, and Recruiting.

On the Field: NCAA has wanted to limit analysts on gameday and have done so by really two restrictions:
1. Number of headsets allowed
2. Number of people in the booth (with communication).
- If you want someone like Callaway to be a coach on gameday, you can use one of your headsets if there is another who doesn't really need it and if maxed in booth, put them on sideline.

In the Fieldhouse:
- free reign outside the regulated practice times (20hrs a week) on the practice field. This is because is player(s) is working outside the 20hrs it isn't really practice, it is volunatary workouts, and then the analyst isn't really coaching if it isn't really practice.
- Inside the 20hrs ("real practice") they are not supposed to have direct coaching with players on the practice field. They can direct one of the 10 coaches, but not the player directly.
- In the film/meeting rooms: free reign once again.

Recruiting: can talk to recruits directly but only when on campus. Can not initiate any contact and can not visit high school for evaluation period. Can evaluate their high school film, give notes to 10 coaches to pass to recruit. Can make material (e.g. personalized flyer) but can not be the one to send/give to recruit. So if you get them on campus, a Munoz or Callaway can be all over them... but only on campus.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9292 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

On the Field: NCAA has wanted to limit analysts on gameday and have done so by really two restrictions:
1. Number of headsets allowed
2. Number of people in the booth (with communication).
- If you want someone like Callaway to be a coach on gameday, you can use one of your headsets if there is another who doesn't really need it and if maxed in booth, put them on sideline.

They can put on the headset and talk to the coaches - but they can’t coach the players on game day, right?

In other words an analyst can chart plays and relay tendencies to the booth, but they can’t relay those tendencies directly to the players. That’s been my understanding, at least (curious to know if I’m incorrect).

Although it’s probably not all that enforceable with 100+ people on the sidelines.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278171 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:55 pm to
Analysts can speak on phone with recruits from what I understand too
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:56 pm to
He did a good job climbing the pocket last night
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12862 posts
Posted on 10/4/20 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

They can put on the headset and talk to the coaches - but they can’t coach the players on game day, right?

In other words an analyst can chart plays and relay tendencies to the booth, but they can’t relay those tendencies directly to the players. That’s been my understanding, at least (curious to know if I’m incorrect).
correct. Can't directly coach, but can coach coaches.
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Although it’s probably not all that enforceable with 100+ people on the sidelines.
also correct. Very hard to enforce on the sideline. The NCAA, when it wants to, will watch who is talking to players and if identified as a non-coach you might have to respond in writing. But, there's so many people running around who come in brief contact with players it is virtually unenforceable. It is also against the rules to have continuous video of a sideline (lest someone start cheating) so there's no film to review.

That's why when Saban first started using the medical tents there was a brief hiccup in Indianapolis. You can't monitor, even NCAA officials on the sideline, who is talking to the player. However, Bama's response was simple and makes perfect sense: you can monitor who goes into the tent. Case over.

That applies to the voluntary workouts too. It's impossible to enforce, they aren't interested in trying, and also difficult to define "coaching" or "observing". The rule actually uses the word "observe". So you're running a camera for evaluation of Brennan's mechanics. Are you observing Brennan or are you running equipment? If you speak to him is that coaching or is that in your duties as a non-observer? Stupid rule from stupid people.

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Analysts can speak on phone with recruits from what I understand too
IF initiated by the recruit OR, if initiated by LSU, one of the 10 recruiting coaches is present.
This post was edited on 10/4/20 at 2:11 pm
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