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What are the Rules Regarding Analysts Coaching Players
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:27 am
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:27 am
For the Advocate
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Brennan returned to LSU’s facility last Monday determined to improve, teammates said. He drilled daily with offensive analyst Russ Callaway on stepping up in the pocket, feeling the rush and delivering a catchable pass.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:31 am to The First Cut
Holy shite. Drilled daily. He’s definitely giving it his all!!!
Not dragging Brennan, who played well Saturday, he just has no dog in him
Not dragging Brennan, who played well Saturday, he just has no dog in him
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:37 am to The First Cut
There are virtually no rules.
Analysts act as full time coaches now.
They were originally supposed to be off the field, but the big programs have continually flaunted that rule with no pushback, so they can do anything.
Analysts act as full time coaches now.
They were originally supposed to be off the field, but the big programs have continually flaunted that rule with no pushback, so they can do anything.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:40 am to The First Cut
When I read that it made me think of Chark saying that Sullivan helped him on his route running.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:40 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Correct. Everyone remembers Butch Jones in the Bama sideline during the national title game. The only difference with analysts is the amount paid. They're essentially coaches at a bargain.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:41 am to The First Cut
Jorge Munoz was on the sideline with a headset all last year
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:41 am to The First Cut
Munoz was basically the QB coach last year.
I think there is some gray area in working with players during practice vs outside of practice hours
I think there is some gray area in working with players during practice vs outside of practice hours
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:00 pm to The First Cut
Callaway is effectively serving as the QB coach.
He absolutely needs to have a greater role overall in the offense.
He absolutely needs to have a greater role overall in the offense.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:27 pm to sportsman2582
Way to support him! ??
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:29 pm to The First Cut
quote:This sums it up.
I think there is some gray area in working with players during practice vs outside of practice hours
In CFB you are always under 3 sets of rules, and that goes for everybody: On the Field, In the Fieldhouse, and Recruiting.
On the Field: NCAA has wanted to limit analysts on gameday and have done so by really two restrictions:
1. Number of headsets allowed
2. Number of people in the booth (with communication).
- If you want someone like Callaway to be a coach on gameday, you can use one of your headsets if there is another who doesn't really need it and if maxed in booth, put them on sideline.
In the Fieldhouse:
- free reign outside the regulated practice times (20hrs a week) on the practice field. This is because is player(s) is working outside the 20hrs it isn't really practice, it is volunatary workouts, and then the analyst isn't really coaching if it isn't really practice.
- Inside the 20hrs ("real practice") they are not supposed to have direct coaching with players on the practice field. They can direct one of the 10 coaches, but not the player directly.
- In the film/meeting rooms: free reign once again.
Recruiting: can talk to recruits directly but only when on campus. Can not initiate any contact and can not visit high school for evaluation period. Can evaluate their high school film, give notes to 10 coaches to pass to recruit. Can make material (e.g. personalized flyer) but can not be the one to send/give to recruit. So if you get them on campus, a Munoz or Callaway can be all over them... but only on campus.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:51 pm to I20goon
quote:
On the Field: NCAA has wanted to limit analysts on gameday and have done so by really two restrictions:
1. Number of headsets allowed
2. Number of people in the booth (with communication).
- If you want someone like Callaway to be a coach on gameday, you can use one of your headsets if there is another who doesn't really need it and if maxed in booth, put them on sideline.
They can put on the headset and talk to the coaches - but they can’t coach the players on game day, right?
In other words an analyst can chart plays and relay tendencies to the booth, but they can’t relay those tendencies directly to the players. That’s been my understanding, at least (curious to know if I’m incorrect).
Although it’s probably not all that enforceable with 100+ people on the sidelines.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:55 pm to I20goon
Analysts can speak on phone with recruits from what I understand too
Posted on 10/4/20 at 1:56 pm to The First Cut
He did a good job climbing the pocket last night
Posted on 10/4/20 at 2:05 pm to lostinbr
quote:correct. Can't directly coach, but can coach coaches.
They can put on the headset and talk to the coaches - but they can’t coach the players on game day, right?
In other words an analyst can chart plays and relay tendencies to the booth, but they can’t relay those tendencies directly to the players. That’s been my understanding, at least (curious to know if I’m incorrect).
quote:also correct. Very hard to enforce on the sideline. The NCAA, when it wants to, will watch who is talking to players and if identified as a non-coach you might have to respond in writing. But, there's so many people running around who come in brief contact with players it is virtually unenforceable. It is also against the rules to have continuous video of a sideline (lest someone start cheating) so there's no film to review.
Although it’s probably not all that enforceable with 100+ people on the sidelines.
That's why when Saban first started using the medical tents there was a brief hiccup in Indianapolis. You can't monitor, even NCAA officials on the sideline, who is talking to the player. However, Bama's response was simple and makes perfect sense: you can monitor who goes into the tent. Case over.
That applies to the voluntary workouts too. It's impossible to enforce, they aren't interested in trying, and also difficult to define "coaching" or "observing". The rule actually uses the word "observe". So you're running a camera for evaluation of Brennan's mechanics. Are you observing Brennan or are you running equipment? If you speak to him is that coaching or is that in your duties as a non-observer? Stupid rule from stupid people.
quote:IF initiated by the recruit OR, if initiated by LSU, one of the 10 recruiting coaches is present.
Analysts can speak on phone with recruits from what I understand too
This post was edited on 10/4/20 at 2:11 pm
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