re: We've only beaten one team with a winning record

My issue with Les was he was way too conservative and kept teams around that should have never been.

If Les would have just modernized the offense a little, he is still here today.

I firmly believe in keeping your foot on the pedal despite the score

People forget Les tried changing by bringing in these OC's that would modernize the offense. The issue was they didn't stick with things when teams adjusted and LSU whether it was Les or the OC didn't adjust.

They brought in Gary Crowton who was supposed to spread the offense out
They brought in Cam Cameron who was supposed to bring an NFL style offense

With both the first years you saw LSU create records but by year two LSU would start to slowly get back in habits that would eventually cost Les.

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The schedule argument is totally agenda driven. It’s not Ogerons fault the SEC is down this year

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No it’s not his fault but pointing it out is also not agenda driven, that’s just a straw man. Miles was fired because he slid from elite status. Those of us that were against the O hire were against him because we don’t think he can get us back to that level but will instead top out at basically where Miles was which usually leads to sliding back even further.

All we’ve seen from O so far this year, last year and at USC is that he can beat the bad to mediocre teams (minus the Troy debacle) but not the better teams minus Auburn. Post OM he’s 2-6 against quality teams. That’s a concern not an “agenda”.

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i have the option to change the play.

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That didn't mean he changed everyone or how often he changed. I think he gave the OC plenty of freedom but the issues he ran into was these 4* QB's LSU kept recruiting didn't evolve because the OC/QB coach didn't really do their job well. Both Crowton and Cameron seemed more hands off and Kragthorpe because of his illness he wasn't reliable either it seems.

Harris, Jennings, Lee, Jefferson, etc all of these guys were 4* recruits

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Les Miles first 5 years at LSU was the worst 5 year span in SEC West history in terms of strength of the division, we had our most talented Rosters ever when he arrived and the schedule was never once brought up to devalue wins the way it’s been since O took over.

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I’m not sure that’s true but Miles went 34-6 with 3 top 5 finishes, including an SEC and an NC. No one cares about SOS when you win.

With O there are still legitimate questions as to whether he can get the program back to championship level so if CheeriOs are praising him for going 9-3 it needs to be put into context. If he does win something of substance then no one will bring up the weaker schedule. If he doesn’t then we see 9-3 on a weak schedule as fools gold.

You’re proving my point. Context is right, O has 3 losses and his WINs are being criticized, this team was pre-season ranked in the teens and has 3 losses. 2005 was one of the weakest schedules in the last 25 years at LSU, Miles lost 2 games (1 more than O this year) with the numbers 1,3,5,6 picks 4 other first rounders and 2 later round All-Pros on the roster. He blew a huge 4th quarter lead to a team that had our former 4th string QB leading it and didn’t make a first down in the second half until a Hail Mary was completed at the end of regulation. Now treating coach O 100% differently than Miles when this years schedule is tougher (3.04 to 2.48) than 05 with that roster and just a 1 loss difference is a double standard. Saying it’s not is just dishonest and bringing up his multi year record is simply muddying the water.

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I agree 100% and in miles first 2 games he barely pulled out a win against ASU

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You mean the ASU game that was supposed to be the 2nd home game but was instead moved to ASU and was the first game of the season? Oh my bad, i forget pointing out an extreme outlier like Katrina adversely affecting the start the start of the season is just “making excuses” for Miles right?

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lost to a bad Tenn team that we led 21-0 at half. I still think that Tenn loss is one of the worst losses in LSU history. I rate it worse than Miami of Ohio, UAB, and Troy

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Well that’s just stupid. I’ll take a page from Ironykings play book and say you just have an anti Miles agenda. Losing to lesser teams is worse than losing to SEC powers having a bad year

First of all by your standards we lost to a top 10 team they had a bad season obviously finishing 5-6 but also had a brutal schedule 4 of their loses were to Florida, UGA, Bama and Notre Dame. They won the SEC E in 04 and were 9-4 in 06. Also the 21-0 was fools gold, 2 TDs were set up by Tennessee turnovers deep in their territory. They were outplaying us all game Once they stopped turning it over they won. I know the anti-Miles crowd will say I’m making excuses but I’m not, it was a bad loss but one under extreme circumstances. We also didn’t lose again until the SEC CG and finished with a dominating bowl win and a top 5/6 finish.

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How? It's one of the weakest schedules we've faced in years. It's not really up for debate either. How is that agenda-driven? quote:

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If LSU was unbeaten..YOU would still find something to bitch about....

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If LSU was unbeaten..YOU would still find something to bitch about....

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Too bad we lost 3 games so I won't have the opportunity to prove you wrong