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re: Welter did not miss his assignment.

Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:50 am to
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:50 am to
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•We kept a new category this week. It’s called “blocked.” We charted players who were blocked out of plays near the ball during successful runs. Alexander was blocked out once. D.J. Welter led the team in “blocked” with three.


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In contrast:



About Kwon:
quote:

He’s not in position to really make the tackle, but he does because he’s fast and has good instincts.


Now look at Welter on that play. Why is he trying to fight the block and go to his left when the ball carrier is to his right?

This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 9:59 am
Posted by saint amant steve
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
5695 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:54 am to
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Clearly Deion Jones missed the assignment to cover QB on TD run. It is man to man coverage on play with Welter covering running back. The coaches know that Welter is not Lightning quick so they put him on covering the man that would be the slowest to get started. Welter does spend time at the beginning of plays making sure players are in their correct locations, so he has a leadership position.


Clearly you have never watched film before.

If you review the play you'll see that LSU is lined up in what resembles a 4-3 under with a single-high safety. Lamar Louis (the Sam linebacker) is down on the line of scrimmage on the defensive left side, DJ Welter (the Mike linebacker) is positioned behind the front four and between the tackles, and Deion Jones (the Will linebacker) is positioned outside towards the defensive right side.

New Mexico State came out shotgun trips left (three wide receivers positioned on the left side of the field) and a single tightend positioned next to the right tackle.

Louis was down on the line in order to match with the tightend. Jalen Mills was also inside the box to assist in stopping the run.

Meanwhile, the corners were set in press coverage against the far flanker and the middle receiver. Ronald Martin was playing zone around 12 yards off the line in order to protect anything deep.

The confusion with the OP is that he believes that Jones was responsible for the quarterback in the event that he kept the ball on the zone read. However, Jones was lined up against the slot receiver (as evident by him breaking right as the receiver headed towards the left flat). Therefore, LSU was evidently in man coverage with the three wideouts.

Welter bit hard on the fake to the tailback and crashed down on the line which allowed the quarterback to break through to the second level uncontested (very similar to several of the plays against Mississippi State). Mills followed the tailback and consequently drifted left as the quarterback broke past the line.

Martin's lack of athleticism and straight-line speed made it impossible for him to recover on the play once Allen hit full acceleration into the secondary.

In conclusion, Welter was indeed responsible for the missed assignment as a result of not staying at home in the defensive middle.
Posted by Lsu tiger maniac
Member since Nov 2012
250 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:57 am to
Lol I feel bad for welter, he has become the whipping boy of the defense. Blame it on welter smh
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
17613 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:00 am to


It looks like he's picking out a blocker to engage.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 10:01 am
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
47512 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:04 am to
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Clearly Deion Jones missed the assignment to cover QB on TD run.


Deion Jones is clearly covering the flat. You're wrong.


quote:

It is man to man coverage on play with Welter covering running back.


You first say Deion Jones was supposed to be spying the QB, but now you're saying they were in man. Which is it?


quote:

The coaches know that Welter is not Lightning quick so they put him on covering the man that would be the slowest to get started.


Yeah I'm sure the coaches want our slowest LB manned up against RB's.


quote:

Welter does spend time at the beginning of plays making sure players are in their correct locations, so he has a leadership position.


So does Kwon.



All in all, this could be the dumbest post I've ever read on this site. Congratulations.
Posted by Makavellimw
Stockbridge,Georgia
Member since Sep 2008
633 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:04 am to
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Clearly Deion Jones missed the assignment to cover QB on TD run. It is man to man coverage on play with Welter covering running back. The coaches know that Welter is not Lightning quick so they put him on covering the man that would be the slowest to get started. Welter does spend time at the beginning of plays making sure players are in their correct locations, so he has a leadership position.


Clearly you have never watched film before.

If you review the play you'll see that LSU is lined up in what resembles a 4-3 under with a single-high safety. Lamar Louis (the Sam linebacker) is down on the line of scrimmage on the defensive left side, DJ Welter (the Mike linebacker) is positioned behind the front four and between the tackles, and Deion Jones (the Will linebacker) is positioned outside towards the defensive right side.

New Mexico State came out shotgun trips left (three wide receivers positioned on the left side of the field) and a single tightend positioned next to the right tackle.

Louis was down on the line in order to match with the tightend. Jalen Mills was also inside the box to assist in stopping the run.

Meanwhile, the corners were set in press coverage against the far flanker and the middle receiver. Ronald Martin was playing zone around 12 yards off the line in order to protect anything deep.

The confusion with the OP is that he believes that Jones was responsible for the quarterback in the event that he kept the ball on the zone read. However, Jones was lined up against the slot receiver (as evident by him breaking right as the receiver headed towards the left flat). Therefore, LSU was evidently in man coverage with the three wideouts.

Welter bit hard on the fake to the tailback and crashed down on the line which allowed the quarterback to break through to the second level uncontested (very similar to several of the plays against Mississippi State). Mills followed the tailback and consequently drifted left as the quarterback broke past the line.

Martin's lack of athleticism and straight-line speed made it impossible for him to recover on the play once Allen hit full acceleration into the secondary.

In conclusion, Welter was indeed responsible for the missed assignment as a result of not staying at home in the defensive middle.
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Clearly you can't read, with your smart arse remark, if you see the my original post, this came from Tiger Track Film room and they diagnose the play this way. If you look at the play, debo vacated his area which allow the quarterback to have a clear read on the option to run the ball since debo took the bait/bit hard on the receiver moving toward the sideline.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 10:08 am
Posted by JETigER
LSU 2011 National Champions
Member since Dec 2003
7081 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:06 am to
the QB was Thomas Dunson's man.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
44245 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:08 am to
Bottom Line

Welter isn't good enough to play linebacker in the SEC. I'm not a Welter hater but he's out of position almost every single play.

We need to be stronger at that position
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:11 am to
I'm just sad that they have been charting this for only 1 game..


quote:

D.J. Welter led the team in “blocked”
Posted by Makavellimw
Stockbridge,Georgia
Member since Sep 2008
633 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:14 am to
I'm just sad that they have been charting this for only 1 game..


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D.J. Welter led the team in “blocked”
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Here is the link to the film room:
LINK: Tiger Track Film Room
Posted by KC Tiger
Member since Sep 2006
4684 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:17 am to
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I'd rather see Thomas Dunson in there.


Hmm....give me a second to process that one....
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
45420 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:18 am to
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debo vacated his area which allow the quarterback to have a clear read on the option to run the ball since debo took the bait/bit hard on the receiver moving toward the sideline.


re-read Steve's post. Debo's responsibility was the innermost WR in the trips look, since it looks like we're in man (though not press man). he did what he was supposed to do. the fault looks to lie somewhere between Bower and Welter.

video's here: LINK

also note, just prior to the snap Debo signals something to Welter, and it doesn't look like Welter saw it. may have been another communication issue.
Posted by 2007lsuno1
Marietta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
6692 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:20 am to
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#ButkusAwardWinner
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15837 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:23 am to
i just love how he closes on the opposite gap the running back is going through
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:24 am to


reposting
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:24 am to
quote:

If you look at the play, debo vacated his area which allow the quarterback to have a clear read on the option


the QB is reading Bower on that play...
Posted by saint amant steve
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
5695 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Clearly you can't read, with your smart arse remark, if you see the my original post, this came from Tiger Track Film room and they diagnose the play this way. If you look at the play, debo vacated his area which allow the quarterback to have a clear read on the option to run the ball since debo took the bait/bit hard on the receiver moving toward the sideline.


First off jackass, if you will note I did not reply to any of your posts. In fact, I was addressing the OP.

I wasn't about to read through every single post in a four-page thread on D.J. Welter's inability to play Mike linebacker. People have been saying the same bullshite now for two years. I've heard it all.

But you had to get your panties in a bunch just because I made mention of the word "film" and therefore you took it as a direct remark/insult to your previous post/s.

quote:

this came from Tiger Track Film room and they diagnose the play this way


Should that name mean anything to me? Because I'm going to tell you right now that it does not.

Secondly, it's not like I said anything that drastically differed from what you were trying to get across.

However, I disagree with the original statement that Jones, in addition to Welter, was responsible for vacating the middle. It is Welter's job to force the quarterback back to the defensive left where there is help from the underneath safety and the Sam linebacker. He crept up on the fake hand-off exchange and was out of position to see that Allen had kept the ball.

Also, the quarterback is reading the right defensive end, not the linebacker on the zone-read. The entire zone-read decision is predicated on the path of the defensive end. If the defensive end heads inside in pursuit of the tailback then the quarterback knows to keep the ball and head outside.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:35 am to
quote:

LSU6969


Oh hey Mr Welter. Glad you joined us.

Look you fricking jackleg, part of playing in the SEC is you need to make plays. Especially mlb's! You have to realize when your rb doesn't have the ball and go make plays elsewhere. The problem with your some is that he is slow to realize, and even when he does realize, he doesn't have the athleticism to recover and make a play.
For your convenience, I hope one of the ranters here can supply the gif from the endzone view of your sons actions on the play. Warning, very graphic! He actually turned away from the qb to run into a lineman.

Ranters, please supply the gif, I'm on mobile.
Posted by SwampyLSU
Member since Aug 2014
1605 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:38 am to


please tell me this is joke. Welter is not an sec talent an should have never been in that situation to begin with. He clearly ran right into 3 blockers instead of attacking the hole 4 feet wide to his right. He single handedly gave up that touchdown/
Posted by Barry Badrinath
MISS'IPPI
Member since Mar 2008
6294 posts
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:40 am to
quote:

It's really not about missed assignments with Welter, it's the fact that he lacks the athleticism, and somewhat the instincts, to play the position. There was a similar play in the game where Beckwith shot into the gap and stopped the runner at the line of scrimmage.


This.

Even on that particular play if he did/didn't miss his assignment does make a difference.

BUT

If he was more athletic, he would still been able to make a play.

And it's like that on alot of plays. Not just that one play.
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