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re: We win big and people overlook problems.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:10 pm to josh336
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:10 pm to josh336
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lems. by josh336
A third starter is more important than our back of the bullpen guy and backup 3rd basemen. Not really sure what you are getting at
My point is that some here exaggerate things to attack the coach. They miss the big picture. What happened Sunday was a hiccup. What happened to Labas may be a hiccup too, but if you want to talk about who we need most, Labas or Hellmers and George, it’s not even close. We need Labas.
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Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:11 pm to ell_13
Negatiger
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:12 pm to doubleb
Well losing to air force was a coaching issue, and some pretty obvious ones. I dont really make large sweeping conclusions after one start or one game either way, but its the nature of most fans
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:13 pm to doubleb
My concern is that we obviously had better options than Hellmers after day one but he got a second start. My concern is that we had just one save opportunity this weekend yet our closer wasn’t available for it. I’m concerned about Labas much less.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:14 pm to doubleb
We're young
They'll only get better
They'll only get better
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:17 pm to ell_13
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My concern is that we obviously had better options than Hellmers after day one but he got a second start.
I think the most concerning thing would be that he got the start in game 1. Of a guy earns the starting spot, you don't yank him after one bad game.
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My concern is that we had just one save opportunity this weekend yet our closer wasn’t available for it.
PM explained why that happened. Fontenot starting warming up when we were down 3 and when he got warmed up we went up 5. So, Paul just let him pitch because he was already warm and no one else was. If it had been an SEC series, Fontenot would have pitched in game 2. But, it's too early to be pitching him back to back days.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:20 pm to ell_13
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My concern is that we obviously had better options than Hellmers after day one but he got a second start. My concern is that we had just one save opportunity this weekend yet our closer wasn’t available for it. I’m concerned about Labas much less.
Hellmers started twice so PM could satisfy his gut. No big deal now.
We know Fontenot can close. We don’t know if Floyd can, but we may need him to in a big spot. He supposedly is that good. Abd if you are concerned about Fontenot I don’t know why.
A month from now and PM burns Fontenot with a five run lead in an SEC series on Friday night and he can’t pitch Saturday because he threw too many pitches then yes; go after the coach. I will too.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:20 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:But he yanked the guy (Arnold) who played really well.
I think the most concerning thing would be that he got the start in game 1. Of a guy earns the starting spot, you don't yank him after one bad game.
That can be just as demoralizing. It was obviously Hellmers wasn’t the answer after game one. The head coach should be able to see that if I can. quote:This isn’t a good excuse. At all. It’s bad planning and coaching is what it is.
Fontenot starting warming up when we were down 3 and when he got warmed up we went up 5. So, Paul just let him pitch because he was already warm and no one else was.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:22 pm to doubleb
quote:I’m not concerned about Fontenot at all. I’m concerned our coach doesn’t know how to handle his pen. If PM struggles to get things set up on a weekend vs Air Force and La Tech, why is it suddenly that much easier come SEC? People act like this was some foreseen issue that he’s okay with because it’s week one. We’ve seen him do things like this during week 8 of SEC play.
Hellmers started twice so PM could satisfy his gut. No big deal now.
We know Fontenot can close. We don’t know if Floyd can, but we may need him to in a big spot. He supposedly is that good. Abd if you are concerned about Fontenot I don’t know why.
A month from now and PM burns Fontenot with a five run lead in an SEC series on Friday night and he can’t pitch Saturday because he threw too many pitches then yes; go after the coach. I will too.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:23 pm to TigerLunatik
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PM explained why that happened. Fontenot starting warming up when we were down 3 and when he got warmed up we went up 5. So, Paul just let him pitch because he was already warm and no one else was. If it had been an SEC series, Fontenot would have pitched in game 2. But, it's too early to be pitching him back to back days.
Does the LSU bullpen only have room for one pitching rubber? Or is it like every other collegiate baseball field in America and has room for two guys to be getting ready?
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:23 pm to ell_13
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But he yanked the guy (Arnold) who played really well. That can be just as demoralizing.
He most likely told both Arnold and Bianco the plan before the series.
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This isn’t a good excuse. At all. It’s bad planning and coaching is what it is.
What is your solution? Have two guys warming up just in case we score two runs at the last second so that we have two pitchers ready? That's really the only other possible scenario other than not warming up Fontenot at all.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:25 pm to TigerLunatik
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I think the most concerning thing would be that he got the start in game 1. Of a guy earns the starting spot, you don't yank him after one bad game.
Yes, whatever Hellmers showed preseason may have been overcome by nerves. PM gave him a second chance and saw he wasn’t cutting it.
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PM explained why that happened. Fontenot starting warming up when we were down 3 and when he got warmed up we went up 5. So, Paul just let him pitch because he was already warm and no one else was. If it had been an SEC series, Fontenot would have pitched in game 2. But, it's too early to be pitching him back to back days.
I watch a ton of MLB ball and this happens to the best of them. A guy hits a homer late and the closer is ready to come save the game and suddenly it’s no longer a save situation.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:26 pm to TigerLunatik
A good idea would be to avoid telling your second guy that he is starting a couple of days ahead of time. Just tell him you are going another route opening day and say we will work you in when we can
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:26 pm to doubleb
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this happens to the best of them
I do get the argument that he should have had 2 guys warming up though.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:27 pm to doubleb
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A guy hits a homer late and the closer is ready to come save the game and suddenly it’s no longer a save situation.
So leave in the pitcher who just dominated the 8th inning
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:29 pm to Choupique19
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So leave in the pitcher who just dominated the 8th inning
I said there was only one scenario. But, you're right. That could be an option if PM thought he was capable of going another inning without hurting his arm.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:31 pm to TigerLunatik
That was going to be my reply. When that happens, you still have time to get someone ready. Send out the pitcher who started the last inning and he has one batter before the reliever takes over or you let him go. Either way, you sit your closer to get someone else ready. Warming up isn’t going to burn him for the next day.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:32 pm to ell_13
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I’m not concerned about Fontenot at all. I’m concerned our coach doesn’t know how to handle his pen. If PM struggles to get things set up on a weekend vs Air Force and La Tech, why is it suddenly that much easier come SEC? People act like this was some foreseen issue that he’s okay with because it’s week one. We’ve seen him do things like this during week 8 of SEC play.
By now you should know PM. Why act surprised. Fontenot warned, he was scheduled to pitch, and PM pitched him.
He died thus every year, It’s a given.
Frankly it’s a nothing burger. Week one, February and there’s a long way to go. So was the Hellmers thing.
And if you believe the coach’s job is on the line, fine. He will keep it or lose it because of our record and not because George blew a save and Hellmers made four errors.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:33 pm to doubleb
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Sure there are candidates that might replace him, but also weren’t there candidates who could replace Hellmers and George?
Everyone is pitching this weekend cause the starters were only set to go a few innings
Guys like George won’t see any high leverage innings when it matters like he did yesterday
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:34 pm to TigerLunatik
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That could be an option if PM thought he was capable of going another inning without hurting his arm.
He had thrown one stinking inning. I promise you his arm wasn’t going to fall off if he pitched a second.
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