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re: We have the talent we really do. Just not being coached up
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:29 am to camplsu
Posted on 1/14/16 at 6:29 am to camplsu
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he has the program relevant
The only reason this program is relevant is because of Ben Simmons. If LSU was 10-6, 3-1 and Ben didn't play for this team no one would give a shite about LSU basketball as per the norm. I'm not going to sit here and link them all but any analysts writing about this team seem to come to the same conclusion: we're talented, Simmons is great, but overall we've been a disappointment.
We're relevant because more people are watching us underachieve.
I'm not saying we need to fire anyone but the criticism of Jones has been more than fair.
Who, based on Jones' s career so far, really expects us to blow through the weaker teams on our schedule with no slip-ups?
No one has any idea what team will show up when LSU plays. The team that beats Kentucky by 18 or the team that inexplicably loses to Auburn--yes, that worries me.
All it boils down to is we have an average team with an average coach.
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Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:08 am to Brunedog
we won on talent alone...
Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:24 am to Brunedog
This team will never beat a well coached equal talented team consistently . May win 3/10 he's just not that good of a coach . Either doesn't know the key principles or can't convey to kids in a way that they buy in ?????
Posted on 1/14/16 at 7:40 am to rilesrick
Beating good teams consistently has not been a problem for Jones. We actually do very well against teams with better or equal talent under Jones
It's the bad teams we have issues with. We beat Kentucky, Arky, etc and then drop games like Auburn and Tenn
It's the bad teams we have issues with. We beat Kentucky, Arky, etc and then drop games like Auburn and Tenn
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:17 am to Nix to Twillie
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it boils down to is we have an average team with an average coach.
Absolutely. But he should still get credit for the good things that he has done. He is getting good players to come here and he is keeping them on the team. That is something John Brady or Trent Johnson couldn't do. The program is way better than when he got here.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:31 am to camplsu
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keeping them on the team
Who has he kept that we ever thought we'd lose?
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:31 am to camplsu
The team plays street ball and barley plays defense. There are no fundamentals out there with this squad. JJ is a bad coach but if we can win on talent then so be it? I don't get Malone playing over Robinson and I don't get why we bring our big men out 30 ft from the goal on defense & offense but whatever.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:35 am to Rakim
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I don't get Malone playing over Robinson
Have you watched the last 4-5 games? What Malone did last night was more effective than we've been getting.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:38 am to Choupique19
Disagree and I have been watching
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:38 am to Rakim
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The team plays street ball
I keep seeing this over and over. We are right behind Arkansas as top scoring teams in the SEC. We are averaging over 83 points a game. That doesn't happen by chance. Playing fast does not mean we are playing "street ball." We clearly run offensive sets every offensive possession unless its a fastbreak.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:41 am to Mickey Goldmill
We have excellent ball handlers and shooters. Yea we run some offense but JJ lets them go in transition and it's street ball bruv. Playing no defense is street ball bruv.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:42 am to Rakim
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The team plays street ball and barley plays defense. There are no fundamentals out there with this squad. JJ is a bad coach but if we can win on talent then so be it?
So ignorant. LSU is one of the best high/low teams in the country. That is all fundamentals.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:42 am to lsucjn
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I think the national media realizes that JJ is not a very good coach. So it's not just the rantards!
For anyone that knows anything about basketball, it isn't hard to see that Jones isn't a good coach. He's in his fourth year here, and the flaws we saw early in his tenure still exist.
He's a great recruiter, but unfortunately nothing more than that. Anybody who can't see that simply has their P&G blinders on.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:45 am to Rakim
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We have excellent ball handlers and shooters. Yea we run some offense but JJ lets them go in transition and it's street ball bruv. Playing no defense is street ball bruv.
Lol you have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 9:02 am to atltiger6487
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For anyone that knows anything about basketball, it isn't hard to see that Jones isn't a good coach. He's in his fourth year here, and the flaws we saw early in his tenure still exist.
What are some specifics that you don't like like about JJ's system? It's easy to say "JJ isn't a coach". It's easy to say "sloppy" and other vague basketball terms. Give specifics of what you don't like about his system and how he runs the program.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 9:27 am to redfishfan
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What are some specifics that you don't like like about JJ's system? It's easy to say "JJ isn't a coach". It's easy to say "sloppy" and other vague basketball terms. Give specifics of what you don't like about his system and how he runs the program.
- very little motion without the ball on offense
- few picks away from the ball to free up our guys for open looks and create mismatches
- poor shot selection (consequence of the above points)
- sloppy ball movement, particularly against a zone (forgot you don't like "sloppy." Against a zone, the ball should be moved quickly to get the defenders moving. Too often, we merely pass the ball around the perimeter and hold it far too long. Quick, sharp passing and flashing to open spots in the zone is what is required. I rarely see that).
- some guys have improved (Quarterman) but others keep making the same mistakes (Gray is often out of control with the ball)
- playing time for Epps. Maybe Epps is a liability on defense, but he seems to be a legit offensive weapon
- not enough pressing, when it's been shown to be effective at forcing turnovers
- low energy and sloppy defense (no weak-side help on penetration and poor rebounding). Defense is all about want-to, and that must be demanded by the coach.
- until this year, not even an effective in-bounds play
- low energy and motivation from Jones on the sidelines. Teams take on the personality of their coach, and too often Jones looks disengaged and asleep.
- poor use of timeouts (obviously)
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 9:36 am
Posted on 1/14/16 at 9:29 am to Brunedog
C'mon guys. We know already we don't have Calipari in here. What do you expect? Guys are just playing street ball. And sometimes streetball rocks and other times it has you looking pretty bad. If LSU wants results they need to make a commitment to BB. Hire a top 5 coach and the rest takes care of itself.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 9:44 am to atltiger6487
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- very little motion without the ball on offense
We average 82 points a game. Motion isn't nearly as important as spacing especially since we normally play with 2 post players at a time.
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- few picks away from the ball to free up our guys for open looks and create mismatches
You obviously don't watch the games if you think that. We force switches consistently and get mismatches down low using high low.
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poor shot selection (consequence of the above points)
82 points a game.
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sloppy ball movement, particularly against a zone
Agree with this.
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some guys have improved (Quarterman) but others keep making the same mistakes (Gray is often out of control with the ball)
Which is why Gray usually doesn't play in crunch time. This isn't a coaching issue its just the style guys like Gray play with.
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playing time for Epps. Maybe Epps is a liability on defense, but he seems to be a legit offensive weapon
We need more defense than we need offense. Epps gives us nothing on the boards either.
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not enough pressing, when it's been shown to be effective at forcing turnovers
Its also very effective at giving up easy layups. There is a reason you rarely see college teams press. It just isn't a good strategy in the college game.
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low energy and sloppy defense (no weak-side help on penetration and poor rebounding). Defense is all about want-to, and that must be demanded by the coach.
On ball defense is all about want too. Playing team defense is really hard and it takes guys playing together for a good length of time to get really good at. I think this team has played like 8 games with the current starting lineup.
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until this year, not even an effective in-bounds play
Oh so he fixed the issue. No need to bring it up again. BLOBs are one of the reasons we beat Kentucky.
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low energy and motivation from Jones on the sidelines. Teams take on the personality of their coach, and too often Jones looks disengaged and asleep.
Coaches should try to stay as calm as they can. Freaking out on the sideline could have a negative impact on your team. Coach Kennedy was going off last night late in the game and his team crumbled down the stretch. Coach Jones stayed calm and his team calmly made winning plays.
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poor use of timeouts (obviously)
Somewhat agree but timeouts aren't magic. They don't automatically stop another teams momentum.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 10:20 am to redfishfan
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- very little motion without the ball on offense
We average 82 points a game. Motion isn't nearly as important as spacing especially since we normally play with 2 post players at a time.
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wow, so nearly all of my points are wrong. I guess I'm clueless about basketball, even though I've played the game at a fairly high level and watched it closely for nearly 50 years.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 10:42 am to atltiger6487
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wow, so nearly all of my points are wrong. I guess I'm clueless about basketball, even though I've played the game at a fairly high level and watched it closely for nearly 50 years.
If you disagree with my take on your points then say so. This is all pretty opinion based stuff. I appreciate your well thought out response. I just happen to disagree with most it.
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