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re: We have a coach and a qb. now how do we beat BAMA
Posted on 1/3/17 at 10:26 am to Salmon
Posted on 1/3/17 at 10:26 am to Salmon
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We say this every year
I know, and it may be wishful thinking, but I truly believe the loss of all that talent in their front seven is like a mirror image of the transition from 2009 to 2010.
I'm not saying Bama will be bad and an easy win, but they won't be the machine on defense they are this year.
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Posted on 1/3/17 at 10:40 am to TigerFanForLife1967
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We need to beat every team in the West. Can we beat BAMA next year? We could. BAMA has a streak against us. but all streaks come to an end. what yall think?
Really...who is our quarterback next year? And while you are at it, what can you tell us about our offense next year?
Posted on 1/3/17 at 10:54 am to Cracking
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I think Bama's going to be much worse next year. They are losing a ton of experience and talent on defense and losing Cam at LT.
Never fails. And yet every year, we hear talk about Bama's best defense ever. 
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:30 am to TigerFanForLife1967
Etling isn't the answer. Hoping Scott emerges or McMillan. I don't see Harris blowing up but perhaps.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:33 am to TigerFanForLife1967
We have to beat them in recruiting before we can beat them on the field.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:39 am to coondaddy21
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We have to beat them in recruiting before we can beat them on the field.
I think it's the other way around actually. It's not as if Bama hasn't been beaten by a lesser talented team before.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:59 am to TigerFanForLife1967
LSU won't be Bama next year and will lose at least three games.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:59 am to doubleb
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We need a good, strong OL.
When it comes to defeating Alabama, everybody says the above.
However, that's not the biggest reason we haven't beaten Alabama. I know it looks that way, but other teams with lesser offensive lines have given Alabama a hell of a lot more fits than LSU's offense has.
Our main problem all these years has been our less than creative antiquated Les Miles/Bo Schembechler offense. As like everyone in the SEC, Alabama new beforehand what plays we were going to run. Thus, it was easy to stop our offense because they new the plays that were coming. Indeed, for years the running joke in the SEC was LSU was the easiest team to prepare for and Alabama always got two weeks. Plus the only way we countered their run defense late in the game was by trying to pass, but because our offensive line thanks to Miles again was built to run, our offensive guards playing offensive tackle on the ends weren't able to stop Alabama's speed rush on the ends. Hence, Les Miles' offense and his tailor made offensive line was designed to lose to Alabama.
Thus, all we need is a new creative offense that isn't so damn predictable because it creatively uses different formations to keep teams off balance and guessing, that uses misdirection plays both in the running and passing games to defeat the speed of Alabama's defense. If we keep Alabama's defense off balance and force it to play a little more honest, we will win. That's all we need. We would have won this year if we had had that kind of offense. So hopefully that's the kind of creative offense Coach Canada can install for us next season and in the future.
And hopefully from now on, we can finally recruit and coach up quarterbacks, which we couldn't do before because of Miles. I can tell you when Miles was head coach here, there is no way I would have let my kid come play for LSU had I had a son that was an elite quarterback. Same goes for a son that was an elite split end or running back.
It's not rocket science, it's more creative offense and just creative enough to make our offensive line more effective against Alabama's defense. Indeed, to use their own strengths against them. Of course, as always we need playmakers and we always had plenty of playmakers except for at quarterback, but now that Miles has been fired, hopefully that problem has finally been rectified once and for all. In fact, we should strive to become Quarterback University.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 12:04 pm to chinhoyang
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LSU won't be Bama next year and will lose at least three games.
Man...if I were you, I'd just shoot myself in the head. I couldn't take all the depression for three years. Wow...what a miserable human being you are. Talk about a surrender monkey. Dude you ought to just give up and move to France.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:33 pm to TigerFanForLife1967
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We need to beat every team in the West. Can we beat BAMA next year? We could. BAMA has a streak against us. but all streaks come to an end. what yall think?
NEED: 5 offensive linemen that can handle Bama's front 4. It is the defensive front 4 that has been eating us up year after year. That has allowed Bama to drop as many as 7 players many times into coverage . When 4-5 guys can shut down the run, that should tell you that you need a GREAT offensive line. Do that and with the skill players LSU has, Bama can be beat. Just worry about skill players and you'll continue to always be .....close.....every other year
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:37 pm to Weaver
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Etling isn't the answer. Hoping Scott emerges or McMillan. I don't see Harris blowing up but perhaps
Etling or any other QB does not need to be the answer. He just has to be a game manager....now if we had a Sam Darnold that would be something.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:13 pm to misey94
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The Barn lived off their defense this year. Even with Stidham at QB, it won't matter. They are losing a lot of talent on D, and Steele will be exposed, just like he was last night. UF is in the same boat. They have not recruited well enough to offset their losses. Once their defense starts to slip, they will fall off.
I see UF falling off, but Auburn will be better. They were awful at QB, but Petty came out of nowhere (well at least he wasn't known much before the spring game), and he had over 1100 yards in 7 games and then got injured. With Kam Martin in his second year (after averaging over 7 yards per carry on 44 carries as a freshman), Pettway in his second year starting (over 1200 yards and avg 5.86 ypc), and Johnson who had nearly 900 yards and a team leading 11 TDs, and Stidham manning the offense with all those freshman receivers being sophomores next year, Auburn is going to be ridiculously dangerous on offense. They've already proven they don't need much of a defense to beat Bama (2013, 34-28/2010, 28-27). Also they aren't losing as much on defense as LSU, and they have some serious talent on that DL even with losing Adams and Lawson. Unless guys declare early, they'll bring back all their LBs, half the DL, and half the secondary.
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UT was up and down and average as hell, and they are losing the heart of their team. They are going to fall of the fricking cliff next year
UT lost a lot of people to injury during the year and had people quit during the season. Watch out for next year because either Dormandy (who is a better passer than Dobbs), or Guarantano (who was a straight up baller in HS that Meyer wanted, and the #1 dual threat of the 2016 class), will be manning the offense. Better OL play, John Kelly returns at RB and average 6.43 ypc on 98 attempts, and they are getting a top 5 RB in this class and could be getting 2 top 6 RBs if Corrdarian Richardson (in-state) decides to commit. Fils-aime was also a 4 star RB who was a freshman this year. They likely lose leader Malone at WR, but have Jauan Jennings and freshman speedster Byrd returning along with TE Wolf.
For the defense, it could go either way. They have high ranked talent on the DL with little experience and lose a couple seniors in the secondary and Barnett on the DL, but because of the injuries (including to one of those DBs that are leaving), they have plenty enough experience coming back next year. I wouldn't judge Shoop on his year one efforts considering the ridiculous MASH unit they had, they likely become way better next year.
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You severely overestimate the competition. Ole Miss and State will be improved, but how much? Both had pretty rough seasons and glaring holes. Who knows about A&M or Arkansas. I would be worried if we had to play UGA, because their recruiting is really taking off under Smart. LSU is in good position to be second in the West next year, with a puncher's chance at Bama.
You severely underestimate the competition. I have no idea how good any of Ole Miss or TAMU will be, but I expect Auburn, Arkansas, and Bama (yes Bama), to be improved. I expect Tennessee to be at least decent and will challenge us as we go on the road. Florida should be better on offense, but McElwain's defensive gifts from Muschamp (including Geoff Collins) are almost completely gone. I expect LSU to win there, but who knows.
I will say this though, LSU needs two things the most to become elite next year.
improved scheme, and a new QB who is a playmaker.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:15 pm to KiwiHead
I have a feeling Ole Dabo is gonna show you how to beat Bama Jan 9. I don't think Sark is ready for prime time. As far as LSU, we have to get the O line figured out to have a chance.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:17 pm to Space Cowboy
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Man...if I were you, I'd just shoot myself in the head. I couldn't take all the depression for three years. Wow...what a miserable human being you are. Talk about a surrender monkey. Dude you ought to just give up and move to France.
He just said we'd go 9-3. I think that's a very reasonable expectation. For being realistic he needs to shoot himself in the head?
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:38 pm to TigerFanForLife1967
scoring a touchdown would help
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:45 pm to KiwiHead
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Etling or any other QB does not need to be the answer. He just has to be a game manager....now if we had a Sam Darnold that would be something.
Down vote because anybody saying we win with just a game manager is stupid AF. Bama has not lost to a pro style offense since we had one with Jordan Jefferson running the option in 2011 (so not really pro style). Can't remember the last time they've lost to a pocket passer. You NEED mobility. You NEED for the QB to be factored in so you can take another guy off your RB or WR. With motion and RPO's the defense can't just play straight up and out talent you. With the deep passing mixed in, they can't just bring up safeties. With the QB as an extra runner, they have to decide on who to attack.
Scott was the scout team QB who mimicked Jackson. At least one player said that when facing Jackson, it was nothing that they hadn't seen already. I saw somewhere else where Scott lit it up on the scout team.
USC had their immobile pocket passer in Browne (a former 5 star #1 Pro QB), yet went with the redshirt freshman Darnold after going 1-2 to start the season. After the first close loss, he went undefeated the rest of the way, completing 67% of his passes, averaging 8.4 ypa, with nearly 3100 pass yards and 31 TDs, and another 250 rush yards and 2 TDs averaging 4 yards per carry. Sam Darnold, the 4 star #5 dual threat, completely changed the whole team along the way beating #11 Colorado, #5 Penn St, and #4 Washington.
Let's check on the other side in Trace Mcsorley. Everybody said Penn St's OL was so awful and it made former 5 star #1 Pro Hackenberg, suck. Me and plenty other saw another immobile, lousy QB. Fast word 1 year and the #15 3 star dual threat, Mcsorley set Penn State records along with beating Ohio State and Wisconsin and winning the Big 10 championship game. He fell just short of winning the Rose Bowl, but had an incredible year passing for over 3600 (9.3 ypa) and 29 pass TDs with another 365 rush yards and 7 TDs.
LSU will waste 2017 if Etling is the starter again.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 4:10 pm to TigerFanForLife1967
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Can we beat BAMA next year?
We have to pay the SEC/refs more than they do.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 4:32 pm to TigerFanForLife1967
Don't line up in the I-Formation ever again against a defense built to stop it.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 5:21 pm to Datbayoubengal
Nice diatribe, but ultimately, dual threat QB's get eaten up by Saban's defensive scheme . I would not call Chad Kelly a true dual threat. He was/is a passing QB who can throw and because Freeze could not find a RB. I would not call Cardale Jones a highly mobile QB. He only ran when there was no other choice. He was a pocket passer who had a great RB in Zeke.
Both teams Ole Miss and OSU had VERY good offensive lines and very good defensive lines.. You need a smart game managing QB who has a very good compliment of skill players .
Bama ate us up the past few years at the line and they did not necessarily employ the 7 or 8 in the box scheme that many do against LSU. They use their monsters up front to blow up our line, get to the gaps ahead of our linemen and start playing in our backfield then they sneak in a Tim Williams or a Reuben Foster to lay waste
Both teams Ole Miss and OSU had VERY good offensive lines and very good defensive lines.. You need a smart game managing QB who has a very good compliment of skill players .
Bama ate us up the past few years at the line and they did not necessarily employ the 7 or 8 in the box scheme that many do against LSU. They use their monsters up front to blow up our line, get to the gaps ahead of our linemen and start playing in our backfield then they sneak in a Tim Williams or a Reuben Foster to lay waste
Posted on 1/3/17 at 5:50 pm to KiwiHead
Better qb and online play.
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