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re: Waters has done what Simmons had no chest for
Posted on 3/24/19 at 5:41 am to The Real Drooby
Posted on 3/24/19 at 5:41 am to The Real Drooby
Tremont does not give his all on the simple things which I will explain. #1 When he shoots a 3 he back peddles and misses the potential long rebound coming back at him. 3 times yesterday that happened where we could have extended possessions. #2 He does not block out well. 3-4 times that happened last night and long rebounds went into the arms of the shooter around the 3 point line. Uncalled for and another 3 possessions. 6 times we score 3 of those for 6-7 points extra, we wine easier. A lot of those were when we were up 12-15 where we should put the game away.
Naz Reid is hurting us. He is TERRIBLE trying to make a move to the basket when there is just a little pressure on him. His hands must be baby size because he can't hold the ball and that left hand hook shot should be banned. The major reason why he loses the ball is he cannot dribble and does not know how to use a PIVOT foot. He is off balance and falls to the ground then tries to shoot it from 4 feet off the floor- That shite looks really bad. He is not NBA ready and I hope they tell him 2nd round so he comes back and WW or whoever teaches him starting with a pivot foot drill
Naz Reid is hurting us. He is TERRIBLE trying to make a move to the basket when there is just a little pressure on him. His hands must be baby size because he can't hold the ball and that left hand hook shot should be banned. The major reason why he loses the ball is he cannot dribble and does not know how to use a PIVOT foot. He is off balance and falls to the ground then tries to shoot it from 4 feet off the floor- That shite looks really bad. He is not NBA ready and I hope they tell him 2nd round so he comes back and WW or whoever teaches him starting with a pivot foot drill
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 5:54 am to nvasil1
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I still don't get the Simmons hate on this board.
The hype didn't play out as expected, but we would've truly sucked without him. That wasted season is unfortunately on JJ. The following season displayed the deficiencies.
Simmons declining an NIT invitation on behalf of his team is why he's is disliked here, right or wrong.
I don't think it has anything to do with his game or even attitude outside of that decision.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 6:22 am to The Real Drooby
Simmons did not want to be at LSU or at any college. His heart was not in it.
Waters loves playing at LSU and it shows.
Waters loves playing at LSU and it shows.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 6:29 am to rob62
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Simmons did not want to be at LSU or at any college. His heart was not in it.
Waters loves playing at LSU and it shows.
LOL. Waters wanted to leave last year, but he wasn't projected very highly in the draft. If he were a lottery pick like Simmons he wouldn't be at LSU right now. And I'm not hating on Tremont for that decision. It was the right move. Just pointing out how dumb this take is.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 6:56 am to TigerChief10
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How? He never seemed interested in playing hard for LSU. Its very easy to see why Tiger fans wouldn't really like him
Some of you are such sheeple. Someone starts a meme based upon the team record and totally ignore the individual achievements of Simmons. Of course the disappointed sheeple keep the meme going, never skipping an opportunity to hurl shite at Simmons. Way past time for this to stop.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 7:09 am to Adam4LSU
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Simmons had a team full of average talent led by a coach who couldn’t coach yet still averaged 19/12/5 on the year
I agree with the general sentiment of your post but that wasn’t a team of “average” talent. Blakeney, Quarterman, Hornsby, Gray.
It was a team of with a lot of talent and potential, and not much else. Zero coaching. Toxic environment where once adversity hit (and it hit early), players started playing for themself and not the team. But talent wasn’t the issue.
It still blows my mind that people want to hate or blame Simmons for that. He produced on the court. Coaching and chemistry are what led to such a disappointment. Simmons could partly be to blame for chemistry but it seems like an odd choice given he was an 18 year old freshman and that type of leadership role probably should go to the head coach. If you want to blame a player for the season, I’d look at Quarterman. He was the veteran of the squad. If I remember correctly he went through some bouts of jealousy with the attention being on some of the more talented young guys (mainly Simmons but even Blakeny to a much lesser degree).
Posted on 3/24/19 at 7:10 am to Adam4LSU
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Simmons had a team full of average talent
There were 3 other NBA players on the team. They were not well coached, but a team with that much talent shouldn’t even need a coach to at least reach the NCAAT. Problem was, Simmons had zero desire to win games. His one and only goal at LSU was to protect his #1 draft slot. One of the ways he did that was to pass the ball to teammates when the game was on the line so that he didn’t look bad shooting the ball. And that is what the OP was comparing about Waters and Simmons. Waters lives for the big moment. Simmons lived to get drafted high.
This post was edited on 3/24/19 at 7:12 am
Posted on 3/24/19 at 7:23 am to The Real Drooby
Don’t know why this is necessary...can’t we just love us some Tremont without taking digs at any former Tiger?
Posted on 3/24/19 at 7:26 am to Choupique19
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One of the ways he did that was to pass the ball to teammates when the game was on the line so that he didn’t look bad shooting the ball.
He’s literally the same player in the NBA as he was at LSU...maybe that’s just the player he is
Posted on 3/24/19 at 7:36 am to Genestealer55
And maybe Tremont Waters is a different type of player because he’s not afraid to take the game winning shot. A lot of pressure comes with that, and Waters thrives on it.
Which is what the OP stated.
Which is what the OP stated.
This post was edited on 3/24/19 at 7:37 am
Posted on 3/24/19 at 7:39 am to Choupique19
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And maybe Tremont Waters is a different type of player because he’s not afraid to take the game winning shot. A lot of pressure comes with that, and Waters thrives on it. Which is what the OP stated.
I understand..I’m just saying I don’t think he changed who he was because of the draft...it’s just who he is.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 7:40 am to Genestealer55
Posted on 3/24/19 at 7:41 am to The Real Drooby
Waters has way more talent around him than Simmons did. I'm not usually one to defend Simmons, but this thread is stupid.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 7:46 am to Adam4LSU
quote:the OP's point is that Simmons hid from game-winning shots. And that's true.
Waters has a legitimate final 4 caliber team with a real coaching staff.
Simmons had a team full of average talent led by a coach who couldn’t coach yet still averaged 19/12/5 on the year.
Stop bashing the kid, it’s not fair to either him or waters. Enjoy the wins dude
He did that against Marquette, and who can forget the utter embarrassment where Ben hid in the second half against Oklahoma in a huge game, even as Musberger and Vitale were BEGGING him to engage.
Ben's a stat sheet star, but didn't lead us to anything when he was here. Was just passing the time. That's why we don't like him.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 8:01 am to Choupique19
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One of the ways he did that was to pass the ball to teammates when the game was on the line so that he didn’t look bad shooting the ball. And that is what the OP was comparing about Waters and Simmons. Waters lives for the big moment. Simmons lived to get drafted high.
Not really. That’s just his game. He’s taken like 3 3 pointers in his NBA career. He does not have a jump shot, still to this day. His passing and driving are what make him great. He passed in those moments because that’s the player he is. Similar to Lebron in that he’s not going to force a difficult shot over two guys instead of passing to a teammate for an open look.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 8:06 am to ForeverLSU5
Simmons disappeared down the stretch in big games Game after game. Simmons displayed no leadership and trashed our program after he left. Could have been a much different outcome.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 11:50 pm to TigerChief10
I was 14, and probably knew more about sports than you did big man.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 3:14 am to Adam4LSU
Wrong Simmons didn’t have this year talent around him but had several quality players on the team but they had terrible chemistry due to coach and his attitude
Posted on 3/25/19 at 3:19 am to Tigerfan56
Thanks tigerfan56 you got my point unlike others
Posted on 3/25/19 at 7:14 am to Philippines4LSU
quote:The team was a disaster before that, and Johnny Jones should have been canned for turning away any NIT invite, with or without Simmons.
Simmons declining an NIT invitation on behalf of his team is why he's is disliked here, right or wrong.
I don't think it has anything to do with his game or even attitude outside of that decision.
I think the hate came because some people didn't want to believe that Jones was THAT bad as a coach so they needed someone to blame. I remember some posters saying that the team might be better without Simmons. Then that next season happened.
I have no idea how Jones won those games at North Texas.
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