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re: Watched the quarterback on replays today

Posted on 10/18/09 at 8:36 pm to
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 8:36 pm to
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see JJ has flaws that need to be corrected


I'm a girl ... know the basics of football but still have to ask many questions during the games (enough to drive my husband almost crazy) ... but not nearly all of the intricacies and I can see that the kid (although I'm sure a great KID) has issues ... he looks scared and unsure to say the least.


And of the several games we watched on Saturday (Texas/OU, Bama/USC, part of Florida/Arky and part of USC/Washington) no one looked great.
Posted by miketiger48
Farmington, NM
Member since Apr 2007
106 posts
Posted on 10/18/09 at 8:36 pm to
Yes, JJ is young but in any part of life, if someone is not getting the job done you have to make changes.
Posted by pilsnerpusher
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 8:39 pm to
I think the slow, deep drop is a result of him not being sure of himself. It takes a bunch of reps before a QB is comfortable enough to react without having to think first. He is trying to think and then react instead of processing and reacting out of habit/instinct. He seems out of sorts out there. I'm confident he knows his reads but it is one think to know your reads in pass skel and quite another to have that processing carry over into live action. Maybe he isn't the most ardent worker in the offseason.
This post was edited on 10/18/09 at 8:42 pm
Posted by miketiger48
Farmington, NM
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 8:42 pm to
That last poster hit the nail on the head. When you are unsure it shows. If you don't have confidence in yourself then you5r team mates will know it.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 8:45 pm to
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I think the slow, deep drop is a result of him not being sure of himself. It takes a bunch of reps before a QB is comfortable enough to react without haveing to think first.


one problem is the staff seems hellbent on keeping all 12 offensive strategies in place, vs. narrowing it down to the things he does best. IMO, we need to go back to running an I-formation/shotgun combo with some Shep mixed in to change it up a little. Dump the 4&5 wides and dump the option. Finally, go back to the huddle to give him and the line a few extra seconds to visualize how the play might unfold.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 8:47 pm to
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I saw Colt. His pocket presents

You guys need to lay off of miketiger48. He's obviously just referring to a game Colt plays with the Texas cheerleaders where he invites them to check out the "presents" he has for them in his pocket.
Posted by miketiger48
Farmington, NM
Member since Apr 2007
106 posts
Posted on 10/18/09 at 8:49 pm to
I know I am from the old school. This lining up without a huddle and staring at the sidelines waiting for the play to be called in kills me. Like the young lady said, I don't know is JJ is confused or scared.
Posted by pilsnerpusher
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 8:52 pm to
I don't mind the multiple formations but I sure as hell would like to see us break a huddle and have the QB get us into the right play vs. the front/coverage instead of us having to make the OC have to do it for him. It concerns me that a a guy two years into the system doesn't know the offense well enough to get us into the play we want based on what he sees from the defense.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 10/18/09 at 8:56 pm to
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This lining up without a huddle and staring at the sidelines waiting for the play to be called in kills me.


I can't stand it either, but it is going to be around for a while, every high school I've seen play over the past few years is calling plays this way.

It's not a bad strategy as it doesn't give the defense much time to change personnel, plus it gives the OC a chance to see what the matchups are. The problem is, the QB only has a few seconds to absorb the call, look at the defense and figure out where the openings may be. Not all QB's can do this, and at this point, JJ is in that group.
Posted by pilsnerpusher
Member since Sep 2009
1370 posts
Posted on 10/18/09 at 9:05 pm to
high schools do it because a coach doesn't want a 16 year old kid making checks at the line to get you into the right play. Most college QBs should be able to to get you in and out of plays at the line based on what he sees. I don't think this is Crowton's preferred way of doing things but I don't think he has a choice because JJ doesn't appear ready to do it himself.
Posted by houstontiger
hobby airport
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962 posts
Posted on 10/18/09 at 9:06 pm to
these fking grammar nazis hijacking threads are getting out of hand. Its childish and obnoxious at the same time.
Posted by cepheid
kenner, la
Member since Feb 2007
1638 posts
Posted on 10/18/09 at 9:10 pm to
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one problem is the staff seems hellbent on keeping all 12 offensive strategies in place, vs. narrowing it down to the things he does best. IMO, we need to go back to running an I-formation/shotgun combo with some Shep mixed in to change it up a little. Dump the 4&5 wides and dump the option. Finally, go back to the huddle to give him and the line a few extra seconds to visualize how the play might unfold.



That sums it up right there. We're trying to do to much with a sophmore QB who isn't ready for all that. I believe Jefferson is a capable QB but you have to put him in the right situation. Do what he does best. We have the talent, we don't need gimmicks.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56449 posts
Posted on 10/18/09 at 9:13 pm to
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pocket presents

I've got a present in my pocket for you.
Posted by TigerBandAlumnus82
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Member since Jul 2007
3104 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 12:49 am to
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Have you ever made a error typing? Of course not your perfect.

I make plenty of errors typing, but since I don't want to come across as an ignorant and uneducated person that didn't pass elementary/junior high/high school English, I use the "Preview" feature and proof read before I hit "Submit." I guess that wouldn't help anyway, if you don't know how to spell or use correct punctuation in the first place.

BTW, its AN error, not A error.
YOU'RE (You Are) perfect, not YOUR.
Posted by Proejo
Dallas
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 1:05 am to
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TigerBandAlumnus82



Posted by johnsec
Los Angeles/Lafayette
Member since Sep 2009
845 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 1:15 am to
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I saw Colt. His pocket presents and quarterback skills make JJ look sick. I coached high school football and for several years. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see JJ has flaws that need to be corrected.


So, if these flaws can be corrected, the LSU coaches should do their jobs and correct them.
Posted by KCBasketball
Member since Dec 2008
3629 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 1:22 am to
JJ drops back quicker....but farther than everyone else....Thats coaching. With dropping back more, it seems like he is holding it more. There is no pocket when a QB drops back that much. His trowing motion is 50% faster than Tebow, but he doesnt gett pressure and get sacked as much. Also see Clausen with sacks. he doesnt have time to see the third option. Next time before you make this post, consult with a QB coach instead of a hell if I know coach who only coaches high school football because you are an assistant at another sport and must do it because you are a male.
Posted by johnsec
Los Angeles/Lafayette
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Posted on 10/19/09 at 1:34 am to
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This post was edited on 10/19/09 at 2:47 am
Posted by seinfeldtiger
San Diego
Member since Sep 2009
1718 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 1:46 am to
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JJ drops back quicker....but farther than everyone else....Thats coaching. With dropping back more, it seems like he is holding it more. There is no pocket when a QB drops back that much. His trowing motion is 50% faster than Tebow, but he doesnt gett pressure and get sacked as much. Also see Clausen with sacks. he doesnt have time to see the third option. Next time before you make this post, consult with a QB coach instead of a hell if I know coach who only coaches high school football because you are an assistant at another sport and must do it because you are a male.


Drop backs are deep, option is wide and too deep..Doesnt follow through (high balls), He has a lot of work to do..I think he's the right guy myself, i agree with people that at some point u have to see some type of improvement. Watching LSU play offense is like watching a John Brady coach'd Offense..Very frustrating
Posted by KCBasketball
Member since Dec 2008
3629 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 1:49 am to
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Drop backs are deep, option is wide and too deep..Doesnt follow through (high balls), He has a lot of work to do..I think he's the right guy myself, i agree with people that at some point u have to see some type of improvement. Watching LSU play offense is like watching a John Brady coach'd Offense..Very frustrating



So you agree it is coaching?
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