re: Was this ever explained why this was not called for intentional grounding?

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Find me some clips of a quarterback throwing the ball into the hands of a defender and getting flagged for intentional grounding.

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Every case is not the same. For example a pass blocked at the LOS by someone reaching up with their hands is not called intentional grounding. But this guy was under duress and look at this arm motion. It was like a "baby throw". Clearly, he was just trying to move his arm forward and since it is always a judgment call, the ref made a hideous judgment this time. It is irrelevant whether the pass hit Butler in the hands or not. He was NOT trying to throw the ball downfield...that is obvious if you look at the throw.

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Every case is not the same. For example a pass blocked at the LOS by someone reaching up with their hands is not called intentional grounding. But this guy was under duress and look at this arm motion. It was like a "baby throw". Clearly, he was just trying to move his arm forward and since it is always a judgment call, the ref made a hideous judgment this time. It is irrelevant whether the pass hit Butler in the hands or not. He was NOT trying to throw the ball downfield...that is obvious if you look at the throw.

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Fair enough, prove to us that the ball doesn't wind up in the vicinity of number 6 if the defender isn't in the way if you want to play that game.

I'll ask you also, show us some clips of QBs throwing the ball into a defender's arms and getting flagged for ING.

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Not that you would understand this, but officials are given rules interpretations and officiating philosophies to employ and one of them would be that you don't drop an ING flag on a QB who just threw the ball into the hands of a defender.

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Mass ref incompetence isn’t a good argument

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Mass ref incompetence isn’t a good argument

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So your reading comprehensions sucks too, got it.

But yeah, it's that all of the football officials who have worked their way up to D1 are incompetent, but your know-nothing arse is all over it. Bravo.

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Thanks for being willing to explain the rules to us.

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His explanation is well off the record outside of the rulebook they say to not call it.




And y’all wonder why refs have no respect

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No, but we won so we can move on

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Shut yer face

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His explanation is well off the record outside of the rulebook they say to not call it.

And y’all wonder why refs have no respect

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Prove me wrong.

And the reason for the lack of respect is that most fanboys are half a step above retarded,

Let me now when you get those clips pulled.

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Guy that is utterly insane to ask someone to search millions of clips to find specific instances of something.

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Well it shouldn't be too tough if I'm wrong.

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As far as your #6 goes who went in motion on the play, he was out of the picture after he went in motion so I have no idea where he was even though I know he wasn't in the immediate vicinity or he would be in the picture.

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He was in line with the direction of the pass. How do you know he wasn't in the vicinity of the pass if the pass never made it past the defender?

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But once again, his "baby throw" motion couldn't have thrown the ball 7 yards. That is a fact! He panicked and threw the ball away. Since IG is a judgment call his intent is part of the judgment. He was clearly in the tackle box and the ball would have never made it back to the LOS so the ONLY way he could have avoided IG was IF #6 was in a reasonable position to catch the pass. IMO, he wasn't given the motion of the QB's arm.

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How do you know how far the pass could have gone?

And no, that's not the only way he could have avoided ING - he could also and did avoid ING by hitting a defender with the ball.

A QB throwing the ball directly into the hands of a defender is not going to be flagged for ING regardless of whether he is out of the tackle box, regardless of whether the pass crosses the line of scrimmage and regardless of whether or not there is a receiver in the area. How is anyone supposed to prove whether or not a pass could reach the LOS or a potential receiver if it runs into a defender on the way?

Anyhow you're hopeless, I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

But yeah, you know far more about it than a bunch of D1 officials do. Maybe you should submit a resume. They could obviously use your help.

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How can I prove you wrong?

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Point me to an instance of a QB being flagged in that situation.

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Your statement is that the conference says off the record that the rule shouldn’t apply to a qb stupid enough to throw to a d lineman.

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It's not off the record, it's how they are instructed, just like the other examples I gave you.

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There is zero way to prove or disprove that.

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See above.

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Hence as I said. The rule has no caveat for a qb that dumb, he is actively wrapped up and throws it in the general direction of an Clemson jersey who happened to be an o lineman unknowingly at Jimari butler for the intention of an incomplete pass to avoid a sack and should have been applied per the rulebook.

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Again, you're 100% wrong on this. See above.

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Your argument is “well off the record not in the rulebook we effectively punish the defense rather than the offense”

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Again, it's not off the record. You can choose to believe or not, I really don't give a frick one way or the other, but that's the way it is, just like the other examples I gave you.

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Again, it's not off the record. You can choose to believe or not, I really don't give a frick one way or the other, but that's the way it is, just like the other examples I gave you.

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Cite the rule.


Surely you can find a print version of this.



It’s intentional grounding unless it hid a d lineman.

Then it’s not.