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re: Was that Clemson team suppose to be special?
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:31 am to poncho villa
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:31 am to poncho villa
I think it is fine to ask this question.
IMO, any other year OSU/Clemson would have been the obvious championship game.
LSU was on another level this year. They were truly a special team with NFL caliber players. We had guys that could have been contributing to NFL teams midway through this season.
Burrow, Jefferson, and Chase could have all been on NFL teams in 2019 making impacts against professional players. In addition to those three, there were a number of other guys who I truly believe could have made NFL rosters this year, especially the big boys on both sides. Not to say our lines were the best in the nation, but we had a number of really solid guys with no true standouts in the trenches.
But Burrow was the one to make this happen. Make no mistake about that. He used up every drop of his eligibility and graduated in 3 years so he was able to focus on football full-time. He was the most mature, poised, determined guy on the field on every single snap this year. He made plays that Baker, Kyler, Tua, and Lamar couldn't have made during their college careers. He had the best, most impressive season for a college QB even disregarding his stats.
Clemson was an elite team. LSU was above that level.
IMO, any other year OSU/Clemson would have been the obvious championship game.
LSU was on another level this year. They were truly a special team with NFL caliber players. We had guys that could have been contributing to NFL teams midway through this season.
Burrow, Jefferson, and Chase could have all been on NFL teams in 2019 making impacts against professional players. In addition to those three, there were a number of other guys who I truly believe could have made NFL rosters this year, especially the big boys on both sides. Not to say our lines were the best in the nation, but we had a number of really solid guys with no true standouts in the trenches.
But Burrow was the one to make this happen. Make no mistake about that. He used up every drop of his eligibility and graduated in 3 years so he was able to focus on football full-time. He was the most mature, poised, determined guy on the field on every single snap this year. He made plays that Baker, Kyler, Tua, and Lamar couldn't have made during their college careers. He had the best, most impressive season for a college QB even disregarding his stats.
Clemson was an elite team. LSU was above that level.
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 10:34 am
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:32 am to tubucoco
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Really, I was trying to give you the benefit of doubt, but you're more of the one that's talking out of your arse because you're calling 2 teams that both went unbeaten (despite your patsie schedule BS argument) "overrated". If that isn't talking out of your arse then I don't know what is, you're a silly frick, brah. I have to agree with Roger on that, but by all means carry on with your deluded BS.
And this is when you know the argument is lost. Not even trying to refute it. 2019 tOSU and Clemson were not elite world beating teams. That doesn't change their records.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:34 am to LNCHBOX
It's a waste of ones time to refute anything to someone as hapless as you. Lol An absolute waste of time, and my argument wasn't lost, I'm just tired of you and your BS.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:35 am to tubucoco
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It's a waste of ones time to refute anything to someone as hapless as you. Lol An absolute waste of time, and my argument wasn't lost, I'm just tired of you and your BS.
Yea, you've lost it.
It;s why you aren't even bothering trying to say 2019 tOSU and Clemson are all time CFB teams. You've realized how ridiculous that claim is, so now you're taking your ball and going home.Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:36 am to poncho villa
Unbeatable
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:43 am to LNCHBOX
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liken them to the Packers this year. There was no choice to have them ranked so high because pf their record, but anyone could see they weren't as good as their record suggested
Weird. People paid to do this stuff said this was the best playoff group since its inception
No one is overrated with the credentials OSU and Clemson had. Looks like they were properly rated to me.
But keep digging.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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People paid to do this stuff said this was the best playoff group since its inception
Almost as if they overrated some of these teams.
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No one is overrated with the credentials OSU and Clemson had. Looks like they were properly rated to me.
I mean, continue to ignore the obvious point.
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 10:49 am
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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People paid to do this stuff said this was the best playoff group since its inception
Yeah, I don't get a lot of the "downgrading" going on. Like I said, I still think the best team we played in 2019 was Bama.
The Top 4 were all great teams. #1 was just way better than #2 and #3 as it turns out. And #2 and #3 were way better than #4 (which everyone kind of conceded before the playoffs even started).
But, as a group, those were 4 outstanding teams who all accomplished a lot on the field in 2019. All were very impressive, even OU.
#1 was just the greatest college football team of all time and had a date with destiny.
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 10:49 am
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:54 am to FulshearTiger
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Why do some of yall idiots want to put down the teams that we beat?
Those teams being highly ranked and considered good teams is exactly what has us in the conversation for best college football season of all time.
Never understood the need to say a team sucks after you beat them.
Excellent post.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:06 am to poncho villa
Clemson, at this time, is one of the top four programs in the country.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:10 am to LNCHBOX
Disagree big time. Ohio st outplayed Clemson and just somehow lost. Clemson was strong IMO. They got pressure on Burrow like no one else we saw this year. If we did not have a generational team we would not have beat them. Just my opinion.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:13 am to Palm Beach Tiger
So tOSU was a generational team too but just beat themselves?
I never said they weren't. Goodness.
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Clemson was strong IMO
I never said they weren't. Goodness.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:19 am to Ace Midnight
I think Clemson and Ohio State were both great teams last year. That semifinal was epic, and lived up to the billing.
People bitching about schedules- Clemson played whoever lined up against them. They didn't play shite until the playoffs last year, then beat Notre Dame and Alabama pretty easily (I do say Alabama self-destructed when they couldn't roll early).
Clemson was clearly better than, say, UGA, who won the SEC East, at least by the end of the season.
LSU just was phenomenal, and likely wins vs any team in the modern era. Joe Burrow... he never had a bad game all year, hell he never even had an average one. He had GREAT games every single time out. I don't think I've ever seen that before, college or pro.
Chase was on another level, Jefferson was extremely underrated, Marshall in terms of talent and play could be All American (our 3rd best WR).
Clyde played like a beast. Moss might have been the best receiving TE in college.
And our defense, which was loaded with talent, peaked late in the year, and was playing "typical LSU" defense by the end.
There's no disrespect to LSU to acknowledge Clemson, Ohio State or others as great teams. LSU was just unstoppable.
People bitching about schedules- Clemson played whoever lined up against them. They didn't play shite until the playoffs last year, then beat Notre Dame and Alabama pretty easily (I do say Alabama self-destructed when they couldn't roll early).
Clemson was clearly better than, say, UGA, who won the SEC East, at least by the end of the season.
LSU just was phenomenal, and likely wins vs any team in the modern era. Joe Burrow... he never had a bad game all year, hell he never even had an average one. He had GREAT games every single time out. I don't think I've ever seen that before, college or pro.
Chase was on another level, Jefferson was extremely underrated, Marshall in terms of talent and play could be All American (our 3rd best WR).
Clyde played like a beast. Moss might have been the best receiving TE in college.
And our defense, which was loaded with talent, peaked late in the year, and was playing "typical LSU" defense by the end.
There's no disrespect to LSU to acknowledge Clemson, Ohio State or others as great teams. LSU was just unstoppable.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:22 am to Scoob
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he never had a bad game all year, hell he never even had an average one.
Just to play devil's advocate here, Auburn was pretty average to above average. Still well above 75% completion and over 300 yards, but the pick brought his rating down to earth. But I get what you mean. We would have sucked someone off in an alley for him to have that game against the same Auburn defense in 2018.
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 11:23 am
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:28 am to Jugular Joe
quote:So they really may not be great but because it benefits us to call them great after the fact let's do it even though many were trashing them before the game.
I don't think we should be downplaying Clemson at this point. We beat a great team.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:31 am to dstone12
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Plenty of 4 point and 7 point swings.
You only saw the box score and didn’t watch the first half.
I was at the game and never felt one bit nervous about losing the Auburn game. Trust me that does not mean I do not know football. Your key phrase was "first half". I was never scared of this team losing a single possession game in the first freaking half. They were too good on offense. Auburn kept escaping in the first half and sure enough LSU started scoring in the 2nd half. LSU was up 10 until it gave up that late TD before the failed onside kick. And even then Auburn's bad offense would have had to actually get to FG range just to tie. Let's remember one of their TD drives was a like 10 yards after a muffed punt. The 2nd one at the end they were obviously facing a less aggressive defense. LSU had its sloppiest game and was always going to do what it needed to win. I kept sitting in that stadium while trailing thinking "Yea, I am not one bit nervous. I think I will go get another beer."
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:45 am to Scoob
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Joe Burrow... he never had a bad game all year, hell he never even had an average one.
Speaking of numbing stats:
Before 2019, if an LSU passer went 27/35, 378 yards, 4TDs, 1 interception, we would all say, "Wow. That was one of the best passing performances in LSU history."
Except for the interception (Joe averaged only .4 of an interception per game, and had a 10 to 1, not a 4 to 1 ratio), that was an AVERAGE Joe Burrow game in 2019. (ETA: And he faced 5 or 6 of the Top 25 defenses doing this.)
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:48 am to Odysseus32
quote:32-42 for 321 yds and a TD, 1 int; 13 carries for 31 yds and 1 TD. Against a good Auburn defense.quote:
he never had a bad game all year, hell he never even had an average one.
Just to play devil's advocate here, Auburn was pretty average to above average.
That's not average, that's actually good. It just happened to be Burrow's least impressive game.
"Average" game would be somewhere around 240 yds passing.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:50 am to Jugular Joe
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That was a team trying to make history with perfect seasons back to back
Perfect cupcake seasons, that is.
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:52 am to poncho villa
They were the 3 seed coming into the CFP so not super special
But they were good
We had an unstoppable offense and a defense that could have been top 10 and just started playing like it.
But they were good
We had an unstoppable offense and a defense that could have been top 10 and just started playing like it.
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