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re: Was Les really ready to let Crowton go last year but not allowed?
Posted on 10/31/10 at 11:32 am to lsugang
Posted on 10/31/10 at 11:32 am to lsugang
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both Miles and Crowton are very well respected in most coaching circles...
I can't speak to Crowton but in an article in the Daily Oklahoman, and I'm going to quote it as best as I can remember, Mike Gundy said, "Les Miles brought something to OSU that we haven't had here in a long time-an attitude of toughness and never give up until the last whistle. The guy is a good coach."
As I pointed out previously, LSU did not have these problems in Les' first two years here with a different staff and better qb's. Why these guys, players and coaches together, can't seem to get productive, I don't know. But I don't hold Les solely responsible.
As I also stated earlier, I think Les really believed that with the addition of Gonzo and Ensminger, the qb's being in the system for 3-4 yrs. and an improved oline, the offense would be vastly improved. It may be to the point now where everybody is pressing and just making things worse.
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Posted on 10/31/10 at 11:33 am to Boudreaux in SF
Football coaches do not respect LM. Never met one that personally disliked him, but he is very weak as a coach. Personality is fine. His grammer is noticeable poor and sentence structure a joke. He should take a speech course. Immediately! There is NO proof that he is a good teacher and the team has not bought into his kind of football. Yes, he is pretty much a joke, and the LSU fans know it. Hard to pay big bucks for so little.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 12:04 pm to DandyD
I just want to point out to some of you claiming how smart Les Miles is because of a degree in economics from UM that the reason Harbaugh has been blackballed by Michigan was calling them out for letting athletes coast and getting bullshite degrees.
That said, Miles isn't stupid. That said, it doesn't take intelligence to get morons to pay you $4,000,000 a year. It takes a good agent and two morons dumb enough to buy Herbstreit's story.
Hell, the kid from the Jersey Shore is making $4 million + a year. He must be a genius.
That said, Miles isn't stupid. That said, it doesn't take intelligence to get morons to pay you $4,000,000 a year. It takes a good agent and two morons dumb enough to buy Herbstreit's story.
Hell, the kid from the Jersey Shore is making $4 million + a year. He must be a genius.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 12:04 pm to lsugang
Posted on 10/31/10 at 12:43 pm to LSUMafia
I have no information about Miles/Crowton status!
However I am curious as to why Miles has Crowton
so involved, and in a really hands on way, in the
recruitment of Metenberg (the supposed quick fix
savior of our offense), if in fact Miles is
going to fire Crowton ? Since Metenberg is going
to enroll early if he comes to LSU , would it be
possible that Crowton's (who I believe is not
normaly known as a big recruiter) job is
contingent on signing Metenberg ? This would
remove a possible excuse that Crowton would use
in that he has not had the QB's he's needed to
make his offense go.
This is pure speculation on my part ? But how
else could you reconcile Crowton getting the axe
and at the same time being sent on the road to go
after what is probably our most important
recruit ?
However I am curious as to why Miles has Crowton
so involved, and in a really hands on way, in the
recruitment of Metenberg (the supposed quick fix
savior of our offense), if in fact Miles is
going to fire Crowton ? Since Metenberg is going
to enroll early if he comes to LSU , would it be
possible that Crowton's (who I believe is not
normaly known as a big recruiter) job is
contingent on signing Metenberg ? This would
remove a possible excuse that Crowton would use
in that he has not had the QB's he's needed to
make his offense go.
This is pure speculation on my part ? But how
else could you reconcile Crowton getting the axe
and at the same time being sent on the road to go
after what is probably our most important
recruit ?
Posted on 10/31/10 at 12:51 pm to LSUMafia
quote:
Hell, the kid from the Jersey Shore is making $4 million + a year. He must be a genius.
he makes 250k from the mtv. the rest are from endorsements. NO HE IS NOT STUPID, DUMB, OR AN IDOIT. he had to know something the pull that off. it's so easy, everyone would be hiring agents and getting dumb people to pay them.
people calling either of these two individuals dumb, stupid, or idiot's, are just ignorant. if it's so easy, step to plate and make a name for yourself.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 12:53 pm to SNAKE
Well, people didn't think DiNardo was stubborn and stupid enough to keep Tepper for the second year, but he did.
Why would they think Les is any different? He gets paid whether he fires or keeps Crowton. If his contract was extended to 2014 the last two seasons like some have mentioned than it is maxed out and can't be extended anymore anyhow. That means his contract is maxed out and so is his buyout at this moment.
Keep Crowton and if the team fails even more next year, even if he's fired, he gets paid his buyout plus can get another job using the excuse that Crowton was the problem.
Why would they think Les is any different? He gets paid whether he fires or keeps Crowton. If his contract was extended to 2014 the last two seasons like some have mentioned than it is maxed out and can't be extended anymore anyhow. That means his contract is maxed out and so is his buyout at this moment.
Keep Crowton and if the team fails even more next year, even if he's fired, he gets paid his buyout plus can get another job using the excuse that Crowton was the problem.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 12:56 pm to dos crystal
The kid from Jersey lucked into getting on an MTV show to make his money man. To think otherwise is silly.
My point was the endorsements. Some idiots are obsessed with Jersey Shore, so the dude gets paid. Again, Les isn't stupid, but to act like his great intelligence somehow is why he's paid $3.751 M a year is just plain ignorant.
It took a moron chancellor and AD (in Bertman at the time) to give him that contract extension.
My point was the endorsements. Some idiots are obsessed with Jersey Shore, so the dude gets paid. Again, Les isn't stupid, but to act like his great intelligence somehow is why he's paid $3.751 M a year is just plain ignorant.
It took a moron chancellor and AD (in Bertman at the time) to give him that contract extension.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 12:59 pm to LSUMafia
Mafia, my guess is that Les wanted a new OC, but couldn't find a candidate that he felt comfortable with...then he figured that he would give Gary one more chance with the struggling QB's that would be juniors.
I have been told that at least two candidates were interviewed/vetted by Miles last year...
I have been told that at least two candidates were interviewed/vetted by Miles last year...
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:01 pm to LSUMafia
We are in year two of an embarrassing offensive display...Crowton will not have a chance for a third...as far as sending Crowton out to talk to a QB recruit, if Miles is running after Rasco, who else would you send?
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:05 pm to Chicken
So Chicken, we are basically in the same spot as 08 with the Co-DC reasoning? Didn't feel comfortable with the others so settle for horrid coaching for another year? How is that fair to the players at all?
I am just of the belief that BelowPar doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.
Guy has been reliable only once or twice and that was mainly during the 2007 Miles saga.
He's missed ever since then only to come back and change his story each time.
That said, don't expect Crowton fired until after Mettenberger enrolls.
I am just of the belief that BelowPar doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.
Guy has been reliable only once or twice and that was mainly during the 2007 Miles saga.
He's missed ever since then only to come back and change his story each time.
That said, don't expect Crowton fired until after Mettenberger enrolls.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:08 pm to LSUMafia
quote:
The kid from Jersey lucked into getting on an MTV show to make his money man. To think otherwise is silly.
My point was the endorsements. Some idiots are obsessed with Jersey Shore, so the dude gets paid. Again, Les isn't stupid, but to act like his great intelligence somehow is why he's paid $3.751 M a year is just plain ignorant.
It took a moron chancellor and AD (in Bertman at the time) to give him that contract extension.
well, if you want to call it luck. i'm sure he had to sell himself to get the opportunity. he obviously got the opportunity and did something with it. not everyone on the show has 4 mil in endorsements. not everyone in t.v. is getting 4 million in endorsements.
les did something to get that contract. he not only won more than 11 games a year for three years, he won an s.e.c. and n.c. he earned his money.
i'm not a miles lover, however, i'm fair with the guy. a win this saturday will more likely than not put him in position to win 9 games or more for 5 out of 6 years. not many can say that. you can say talent is why, well, he had to either get it or do something with it.
do i like the contract? no. is miles my favorite coach, no. however, people calling him dumb, idiot, stupid, ect. is not only not true but makes the party saying look embarrassingly ignorant.
there is a reason for his speech impediment. the man had to have a brain lesion removed. people making fun of this better hope they don't have the same health problem.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:08 pm to LSUMafia
Read my post . I didn't say Crowton was going to get fired ! I have no info on that. In fact my speculation was the opposite of that , in that I questioned those in this thread that said he would be fired . I stated/questioned the validity of that theory based on how he was getting Crowton so involved in recruiting !
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:37 pm to LSUMafia
quote:
It took a moron chancellor and AD (in Bertman at the time) to give him that contract extension.
Again, because you get to be a chancellor at a major university by being a moron…?
And can't we all just name a hundred morons that have won six national championships in any sport?
In poker there is an old adage about being the mark if you don't really know who the mark is.
If you think Miles or any of these significantly accomplished men such as Skip Bertman are morons then really YOU are the moron.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:38 pm to LSUMafia
quote:
I just want to point out to some of you claiming how smart Les Miles is because of a degree in economics from UM that the reason Harbaugh has been blackballed by Michigan was calling them out for letting athletes coast and getting bullshite degrees.
I'm not sure Harbaugh was talking about Michigan in 1974...
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:39 pm to LSUMafia
quote:
Guy has been reliable only once or twice and that was mainly during the 2007 Miles saga.
What else did he get wrong?
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:41 pm to SouthernMan
Bertman was great baseball coach but mediocre as an AD. This isn't something that is disputed. He was great at raising money, but that was about it.
He blew his first hire at Baseball HC which he was supposed to be an expert at right?
O'Keefe was a horrible chancellor and only got the job because of his connection to GWB. Being the head of NASA when it straight up was at its worst doesn't make you qualified for chancellor at a major university.
He blew his first hire at Baseball HC which he was supposed to be an expert at right?
O'Keefe was a horrible chancellor and only got the job because of his connection to GWB. Being the head of NASA when it straight up was at its worst doesn't make you qualified for chancellor at a major university.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:42 pm to OBUDan
quote:
What else did he get wrong?
He continually changed his breaking news and never said anything concrete.
I truly believe the guy has some connections, but not as good of ones as he thinks. He was putting a lot of assumption into things he heard later on.
I just don't believe him to be ironclad like some others do.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:59 pm to LSUMafia
quote:
Guy has been reliable only once or twice and that was mainly during the 2007 Miles saga.
The only things I've ever heard him make predictions about were Miles 2007, hiring of DC before 2009 season, and last year with Crowton.
He was right on all accounts with the exception of Crowton, but them again, all he said was Miles was looking for a new OC and had talked to several canidates.
What specifically did he get wrong?
Posted on 10/31/10 at 1:59 pm to LSUMafia
quote:
He continually changed his breaking news and never said anything concrete.
Seemed to me he always qualified his predictions/news with caveats like "things can change.." but maybe I'm misremembering.
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