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re: Was last years coaching by Les Miles a fluke?
Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:07 am to Tigahbait25
Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:07 am to Tigahbait25
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You can say we only beat Tenn because RP played, but that is pure assumption.
No, it really isn't.
If we don't have RP, then we are playing Lee for that game, and the reason why we are having this discussion at all is because Lee isn't doing so hot.
And this isn't this year's Lee. This is a Lee with a year less playbook experience and maybe a sixteenth of the snaps of the current Lee. Yes, a miracle could have happened, but the odds of us pulling it out would have been about at the level that we win by default because the entire Tennessee team was stricken by explosive diarrhea and are forced to forfeit.
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Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:20 am to Paul_LSU_passion
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How many of Saban's teams have you seen dominated on the line as well? Maybe a couple, two or three games his whole tenure here...but never an entire season.
did you forget about 2002 and 2004?
Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:23 am to lsudupont82
In 2002 and 2004 he wasn't dominated all season long though. You didn't finish reading and thinking about the entire sentence. Sure, a couple of games both years, but even in the losses those years - Saban wasn't pushed around like LSU has been this year.
Ole Miss had LSU by the nutsack last night and wouldn't let go. I haven't seen that since the Hallman days. And it has nothing to do with "how good" Ole Miss is. Ole Miss is as mediocre as usual, with 4 losses. LSU is just that poorly coached right now.
Ole Miss had LSU by the nutsack last night and wouldn't let go. I haven't seen that since the Hallman days. And it has nothing to do with "how good" Ole Miss is. Ole Miss is as mediocre as usual, with 4 losses. LSU is just that poorly coached right now.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:32 am to Cash
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His coaching really wasn't that great last year. We did lose two games we shouldn't have.
And the games that we won were all 4Q come-from-behind miracle wins. If we had superior talent and still needed these miracle wins (as well as two losses to mediocre teams), that is POOR COACHING!
Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:42 am to Skillet
How 'bout 3 years of good luck.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:44 am to Skillet
Yes. We lost the last regular season game for crying out loud. Then we get a pass on UGA or UF and get to face off against a bad Tennessee team for the SEC. 9 times out out of 10 we'd been playing the Outback or Cotton rather than the BCS Champ game. Then we draw a blouted overrated OSU as our opponent. Les got extremely lucky.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 7:45 am to MICK MAN
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How 'bout 3 years of good luck.
Yep. What about those other three years where he posted pretty damn good records. Best ever for a coach in his first three years in the SEC.
Was that a fluke too?
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:01 am to dudeilovebeer
pure and simple this defense lacks play makers(ie. Steltz and Zenon from last year). In addition it lacks the eraser at safety (Laron Landry or Craig Steltz)
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:06 am to laftoothdr
We are used to our DB's generating turnovers and it just is not happening this year. It's hard to get in your opponents head when they know you can't stop them.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:07 am to footballislife
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Was that a fluke too?
Yes, Larry Coker.
It's unfortunate that some fans simply look solely at historical surface and are unable to objectively identify real problems and project trends, especially when they're staring us in the face. The defense has been fading since the day Bo Pelini arrived, and that intensified when his two cohorts took over.
And Les Miles has done nothing to inspire confidence that he is focused on winning and will do whatever is necessary to fix the problem ... ala Nick Saban.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:08 am to laftoothdr
I guess being only one of two coaches to beat Bob Stoops at Norman (Stoops record now 60-2 at home btw) was a fluke too. Leading his team to victory over 5 other NC winning coaches a fluke too?
Yes, this season has been a disappointment. To all of us, including the coaching staff. If you expect LM to act like a fan and rip everyone involved is just moronic.
I have faith, until I hear LM himself say no changes will be made, that changes will be made to improve the program.
Grow up you bunch of ball-less wonders. Les Miles is a damn good coach and he has and will again take the Tigers to #1
Yes, this season has been a disappointment. To all of us, including the coaching staff. If you expect LM to act like a fan and rip everyone involved is just moronic.
I have faith, until I hear LM himself say no changes will be made, that changes will be made to improve the program.
Grow up you bunch of ball-less wonders. Les Miles is a damn good coach and he has and will again take the Tigers to #1
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:09 am to Skillet
John Brady + Larry Coker
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:19 am to footballislife
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Yep. What about those other three years where he posted pretty damn good records. Best ever for a coach in his first three years in the SEC.
Was that a fluke too?
It's hasn't been a fluke that we've won. LSU has simply had better players than most teams over the last few years.
That has masked Miles' inability to have his teams prepared and ready on a consistent basis.
Aside from the bowl games and VT, there haven't been many times when LSU has taken the field against a good opponent and not struggled.
Miles has been very fortunate.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:21 am to Skillet
He doesnt play the young talent enough. Even in crap games. Thats the difference in him and the great coaches. They play young talent to get them experience.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:22 am to Skillet
I thought Miles had some really good players who covered his arse last year.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:41 am to Paul_LSU_passion
Quit comparing us to UF. We have been humilated in Tiger Stadium x 2, plus the loss to bama in TS, plus the Troy debacle in TS, plus the humiliation in the swamp.
Florida did not sink nearly as low as this Tiger team. Do y'all honestly think we are going to cruise past Arky and win our bowl game? We're looking at 5-6 losses. That's worse than any other defending NC in this era. Guys there are at least 50 or more Div I teams that can beat us right now. Do you think that was UF last year?
Do y'all want to be the next TN, ND, Nebraska and fall into a 5-10 year slump? We're standing on the fricking Titanic and half of you are dancing upstairs thinking it ain't gonna sink.
My god, Clemson has had top 10 recruiting classes. If you can't coach 'em, you won't win anything. There was more than a carryover of raw talent from the Saban era...there was a carryover of discipline and skill. It's gone now.
Florida did not sink nearly as low as this Tiger team. Do y'all honestly think we are going to cruise past Arky and win our bowl game? We're looking at 5-6 losses. That's worse than any other defending NC in this era. Guys there are at least 50 or more Div I teams that can beat us right now. Do you think that was UF last year?
Do y'all want to be the next TN, ND, Nebraska and fall into a 5-10 year slump? We're standing on the fricking Titanic and half of you are dancing upstairs thinking it ain't gonna sink.
My god, Clemson has had top 10 recruiting classes. If you can't coach 'em, you won't win anything. There was more than a carryover of raw talent from the Saban era...there was a carryover of discipline and skill. It's gone now.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:43 am to Roaad
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We are dealing with the effects of having a star Junior QB kicked off the team. We are playing two QB's that should not have been playing until 2009, maybe 2010.
The poor QB performance has led to lack of confidence throughout the entire program.
This isn't Miles' fault. RP has set the program back a year.
100% accurate.
So there's no reason for Miles to consider any coaching changes? The poor defensive play this season and maybe next season is strictly on RP's shoulders. Miles and the current DC's are not to be held accountable for any of the teams dismal efforts this season. Everything should copasetic the season after next, and the only person we should be upset with, is RP, right?
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:50 am to Skillet
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There was more than a carryover of raw talent from the Saban era...there was a carryover of discipline and skill. It's gone now.
Good point. I don't know if it's completely gone yet but it sure does appear to be going fast.
Discipline and fundamental football skills: two things this Tiger team seems to lack at certain positions.
I don't know why those fundamentals are not there.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 8:50 am to Skillet
When you win a championship, I think luck gets involved no matter what. I mean look at Florida in 06. If SC just gets one of their FG's, they win and Florida doesn't win the championship. FL blocked two FG from Succup. That is no common. Look at the year Ohio State won, they won a bunch of close games and got some lucky bounces.
Miles did a hell of a job in 05 with Katrina. Gotta give him credit for that.
In 06, yeah, we lost to Auburn and FL, but Auburn gave Florida their only loss and FL won the NC. Both were on the road. We beat a top 10 Tenn on the road and a top 5 Arky team on the road and then beat Notre Dame in the Sugar. Don't think that was a fluke.
I would like to give Miles the benefit that this was a bad year, due to the qb and dc problems. I think if Pelini were here, we would not have the same problems on defense. RP had to go, so the qb position would be the same, but that was recruiting problems. Shouldn't have taken Hatch and should have had someone else other than a True Freshman and RS Freshman to fall back on.
Miles did a hell of a job in 05 with Katrina. Gotta give him credit for that.
In 06, yeah, we lost to Auburn and FL, but Auburn gave Florida their only loss and FL won the NC. Both were on the road. We beat a top 10 Tenn on the road and a top 5 Arky team on the road and then beat Notre Dame in the Sugar. Don't think that was a fluke.
I would like to give Miles the benefit that this was a bad year, due to the qb and dc problems. I think if Pelini were here, we would not have the same problems on defense. RP had to go, so the qb position would be the same, but that was recruiting problems. Shouldn't have taken Hatch and should have had someone else other than a True Freshman and RS Freshman to fall back on.
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