re: USC - 2003 National Championship

Cheering for Tulane. USC has always been overhyped garbage

Oklahoma couldn’t even win their conference. You beat a patsy.

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Y’all know SC would have whipped you.

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How do you know this considering the reason USC didn't make it to the championship game was because they didn't play anybody. Easy to talk coulda shoulda woulda when you played against high school teams.

Well, all I know is they don't give out NC's for beating #4. I mean, maybe the AP does, but then again, that's why what they say don't amount to shite.

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NEVER WAS EITHER VOTED FOR AS BEING THE method in determining the champ by all schools/coaches.

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And what you keep ignoring is that that also didn’t happen with the BCS. The Coaches’ POLL did not have the power to unilaterally declare their POLL the only arbiter of the national champions. The agreement you keep referencing was between the AFCA and the BCS in relation to their POLL and their poll alone. The schools weren’t party to that agreement and nowhere in the agreement did the coaches agree that they would no longer recognize the AP poll. Even if they did, they had no such power to do so.

Their agreement in and of itself tells us something about the place of the polls in determining the champion. If the BCS actually rendered the polls irrelevant, there would be no need to enter into an agreement with the Coaches’ POLL. They would have just declared a champion and just ignored the polls. That’s not what happened. They made sure one of the polls crowned their champion because the polls still held weight. The Coaches’ POLL had no power to take weight away from the other one.

Again you still keep typing shite that has no relevance. Let me explain is by typing slower so you can understand.

The coaches (and their schools) voted for a method to determine the champ. Period . End of story.

It didn't go USC's way so the AP cried and took themselves out of the equation.

These are the facts. If the coaches didn't agree on the method to determine the champ, you and I wouldn't be having a conversation. They did. You and Pete Carroll and everyone else can cry all they want but a method was determined and it played out. End of story.

The second the schools voted for the method, I didn't and still don't give a shite about any other poll.

Sorry.

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The coaches (and their schools) voted for a method to determine the champ. Period . End of story.

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You can type it as slowly and as often as you like. That won’t make your statement any more true. The schools were NOT party to the agreement. The agreement itself pertained only to the Coaches’ POLL. You are ascribing a power to the AFCA they did not possess. I understand your argument. It’s just not factual.

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The schools were NOT party to the agreement. The agreement itself pertained only to the Coaches’ POLL. You are ascribing a power to the AFCA they did not possess. I understand your argument. It’s just not factual.

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That is NOT factual. The vote was for the winner of the "BCS title game will be Champion". The BCS title game pitted the top 2 of the BCS poll together. The BCS at the time was comprised of the Coaches Poll, The AP poll, and Computer rankings.

So NO, it wasn't just some coaches pulling some rogue shite although it was coaches that did the actual voting to determine the method used to find the official champ. I'm sure the coaches got the ADs involved, etc.. after 2003 when AP left the formula, colley-matrix and sagarin and maybe something else joined in. Sorry for spelling, I'm going off memory.

Anywho, you are being disingenuous when you play the BCS voting off as some coaches only bullcrap.

This was the official champion recognized by everyone up until some butthurt left coasters got involved and changed the rules. Waaaa, I'm going to take my ball and go home. AP is a f'in joke. The second the schools determined an official means to determine the champ, the AP doesn't matter (officially) except for a small % of the country. This is 100% factual. Sorry.

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Of the COACHES POLL. That’s it. That’s all the agreement specified. Go back and read through your link again. That’s what it states.

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I think you are misreading something...

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North Carolina State coach Chuck Amato doesn't see a need for change.

''I will vote for the winner of the Sugar Bowl,'' he said. ''We voted to give the winner of the BCS game No. 1. I think we should stay with that.''

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The coaches voted overwhelmingly in favor of giving their title to the BCS winner in 1998 and haven't wavered since.

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''They only allow you to vote for 2 through 25,'' Cal coach Jeff Tedford said. ''It makes our poll insignificant (when it comes to) who we think the national champion is.''

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''I would like to be able to vote for the team that I feel deserves the national championship, but, by the same token, we agreed to this system,'' Michigan coach Lloyd Carr said. ''Until it is changed, I think that is what we should do.

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So you see, the coaches did NOT vote to have the coaches poll determine the champ. They voted for the BCS game winner to be the champ.

Big difference. Which I was saying all along.

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So you see, the coaches did NOT vote to have the coaches poll determine the champ. They voted for the BCS game winner to be the champ. Big difference. Which I was saying all along.

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You are not reading those comments in the context of the entire article. “We voted to give the winner of the BCS game #1” means the #1 spot in the poll. The coaches gave “their title” means the Coaches’ Poll title. It’s actually quite telling that it says THEIR title and not THE title. “It makes our poll insignificant” is in the context of the prior sentence which states they only vote on 2-25 with #1 pre-assigned. It just means the part of the poll the coaches get to vote on is diminished because they don’t get to determine the champion of the poll. All Carr was saying is that he would like to vote on the champion but the AFCA agreed to give their #1 to the BCS winner. Every single statement is in the context of the Coaches’ Poll.

You have every right to consider only the BCS champ the true champion in the BCS era. The polls only had authority to the degree to which the public accepted their choice. That was true even before the BCS. In that light, LSU as BCS champion will always be more universally accepted. Somewhere less than 100% but more than 50% will acknowledge USC. I don’t really care. It doesn’t diminish LSU’s title. When there were Co-champions in the poll era, no one ever considered those titles to be half a championship. The banners don’t say co-champions. It’s given just as much weight. I don’t know why LSU fans worry about USC.