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re: ****update 8:10*** Don't shoot the Messenger
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:03 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:03 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
What the frick is wrong with some of y'all?
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:03 pm to tigerfan88
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It's only a blind witch hunt because somehow he's become our third choice out of every single coach in the country. I'm not saying he would be better than some people, but I also cannot believe there's not a coach in between Fisher/Herman and then dropping to Coach O.
But who? All I've seen ed do is change or culture get players to play hard and win with the shite offense he was handed.
I'm enjoying this. Wish I didn't have to go soon
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:03 pm to tigerfan88
I wish there was a way to downvote every time there is an update.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:04 pm to wish i was tebow
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Sorry I'd rather look at what he did at LSU this year than what he could do at North Texas before coming back.
Nope. LSU isn't a proving ground. He should be treated like every other coach. Maybe you are fine with doing this in two years, but that is a complete waste of time and resources. We should be going deeper in the pool like we did for Miles and Saban. O is almost assuredly not going to win a title. Miles and Saban both did. We hired two NC coaches in a row. I don't think we should deviate that rubric. O doesn't meet it.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:04 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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You pay for future results not past performance. If Fisher and Herman win a Natty, I would make them the highest paid coach, but not before with a guarenteed contract. That gives them 0 incentive to produce. See MIles
So we should only hire shitty unproven coaches until one of them ends up being a suprise success? How is losing three games over a full season with a worse team, somehow worse than losing two games in 7 with one of the most stacked teams in terms of talent we've had in the last ten years
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:07 pm to crazy4lsu
So his last two interem jobs at top programs is not proving grounds enough? Why is UTSA or Marshall a better proving ground
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:07 pm to DBU
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Fisher has won a Natty.
So did Miles and Miles also had the greatest regular season in CFB history. Miles was fired for being a constant 3 loss coach. Miles has a better track record than Fisher. If a track record is that imporant like yall say.
Past performance does not equal future result.
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:07 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
It's some jackass LSU fans in power who did the same shite with Les Miles & ruined this season!
That's why i love Bill Belicheck, he can care less about what fans or whoever think. He get rid of players a year or 2 before you suppose to.
The Majority of LSU fans love O but we need JIMBO/HERMAN.
That's why i love Bill Belicheck, he can care less about what fans or whoever think. He get rid of players a year or 2 before you suppose to.
The Majority of LSU fans love O but we need JIMBO/HERMAN.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:08 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
Miles and fisher would have similar career/records at LSU imo. A great season here and there with a bunch of seasons that we lost with too good of talent to lose
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:09 pm to wish i was tebow
You mean where he lost 4 games in total? Says it all
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:10 pm to wish i was tebow
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So his last two interem jobs at top programs is not proving grounds enough? Why is UTSA or Marshall a better proving ground
WHAT DID HE PROVE?!?!? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. He got stacked teams to stop incredibly underperforming. He still lost games to worse teams, and there's absolutely no proof he can sustain things over the long haul. It's not like he turned LSU or USC into juggernauts when he took over. They both went from dumpster fire to watchable.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:10 pm to wish i was tebow
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So his last two interem jobs at top programs is not proving grounds enough? Why is UTSA or Marshall a better proving ground
He stepped into USC and LSU, two very talented teams. USC was preseason number 1 the year he took over. LSU was supposed to go to the playoff. He wouldn't have this opportunity if the head coach didn't frick up, and he didn't outperform the head coach honestly. His only sparkling win at USC or LSU was against Stanford I believe.
Secondly, he should go to a mid-major P5 school to see if his interim success is not a flash in the pan. That's why he should go. Alleva liked Frank Wilson a lot but told him he should go seek HC opportunities if he wanted to be a head coach at LSU one day. Why not the same for O?
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:11 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
Sounds like a very Alleva-like thing to frick this up.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:11 pm to wish i was tebow
Because they're not interim positions. There's a lot more that goes into actually running a program as the actual HC versus the interim guy
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:11 pm to tigerfan88
Im not saying that. I am saying you dont over pay just to over pay.
I am not an O supporter but I will call a spade a spade.
I am not an O supporter but I will call a spade a spade.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:12 pm to wish i was tebow
Miles was too stubborn with his run oriented offenses. Jimbo would be better IMO.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:12 pm to tigerbaitlawyer
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Past performance does not equal future result.
But it is a damn good indication. Please again tell me of all the coaches with losing records who get big jobs and go on to further success. Before you answer Carroll, he was 27-21 in NE with two playoff appearances, and before you answer Belichick, he was 36-44 in Cleveland with an 11-5 season and a playoff appearance, much better than anything O has ever done.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:15 pm to wish i was tebow
What hires did Orgeron make at USC and LSU? How did he build those staffs? What was his overall program philosophy for these two jobs?
Tell me how an interim proved anything in a proving ground that doesn't exist?
It's like you giving the keys to your life to a much much less successful individual and lettin him take all the credit for anything you built just because he occupies the space you once did.
Tell me how an interim proved anything in a proving ground that doesn't exist?
It's like you giving the keys to your life to a much much less successful individual and lettin him take all the credit for anything you built just because he occupies the space you once did.
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:18 pm to tigerfan88
The fact that a handful of people can't give O credit thinking it'll be mistaken for a vote of confidence to Admins is crazy.
Give the man his credit. He took over 2 teams that were not getting it done and turned around their seasons using the same exact system that the HC got fired for.
If Herman and Fisher are seeing dollars and trying to jack up the price above their worth, then we won't have many options left. You don't let these middle of the pack coaches demand Saban type money.
Foolish. Herman and Fisher seem to both have an outside agenda using this interest for leverage.
Give the man his credit. He took over 2 teams that were not getting it done and turned around their seasons using the same exact system that the HC got fired for.
If Herman and Fisher are seeing dollars and trying to jack up the price above their worth, then we won't have many options left. You don't let these middle of the pack coaches demand Saban type money.
Foolish. Herman and Fisher seem to both have an outside agenda using this interest for leverage.
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:21 pm to prplngldtigr
I am still neutral between Jimbo & Herman, but will take Coach O over any one else on the "list". As for Kiffin not leaving bama unless it's for a HC job,his contract with saban expires in Feb. right after signing date. Go to the SEC Rant & bama fans are close to 50/50 on Kiffin leaving, & most of those saying he will leave claim he has reached his limit with saban. How much better can Kiffin get by staying at bama? And he & Coach O are extremely close, as they have coached together at USC twice & again at UT. Not saying he is the answer at OC but his leaving bama is not a huge stretch by any means.
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