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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:51 pm to
Posted by tigerfan88
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:51 pm to
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Les has had better recruiting classes at LSU than saban. So same thing right?


I mean you're literally basing that on nothing. Why not hire Frank Wilson then? O has never shown the ability to be a dominant recruiter as a HC. Why are we going to turn are program over to someone who's shown literally nothing?
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:51 pm to
No I'm just poking holes in yalls bullshite.


You realize ole miss success was with the guys that ed got to go there right? Do you think if nutt got there after cutcliff they would have been successful? I'm not saying he was good there but that doesn't mean he can't be good somewhere else.

I'm pro Herman and not trying to pump O for HC. But this bull shite that he'd be the worst is just wrong. What makes us think he couldn't recruit?
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 3:56 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:52 pm to
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He will actually get coaches and not have multiple GAs coaching position groups.


That's not what happened at Ole Miss. He hired Dan Werner, Hugh Freeze and Frank Wilson among others. I don't know where you are getting the idea that he had GA's coaching position groups.
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:52 pm to
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No I'm just poking holes in yalls bullshite




No the frick you aren't.
Posted by tigerbaitlawyer
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:55 pm to
Ole Miss was not the same job it is today. It was a complete wreck.

and Yes, I believe people can actually get better at their occupation.

Not saying he is my top choice, but he has improved vastly.

Even Archie Manning said O deserved one more year at Ole Miss becuase they were about to turn the corner. NUtt recieved the reward then ran it into the ground.

Mike Mcintyre was almost fired last year because they didnt win. They were patient and his process paid off.

Ole Miss is a factor but not the only factor.
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:56 pm to
That's what happened at LSU right now

Was referring to the difference in interem head coach and head coach from last page.


Like I said I'm not trying to lead the charge for O. But it's also a blind witchhunt on her against him
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 3:57 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:56 pm to
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Ole Miss was not the same job it is today. It was a complete wreck.



Which is why Cutcliffe won before him and Nutt won after him right?

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and Yes, I believe people can actually get better at their occupation.



How many coaches have gone from being historically bad to winning titles? Let me name one for you. Gene Stallings. The difference between Stallings and O is that Stallings actually had a winning season in his first gig.

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Even Archie Manning said O deserved one more year at Ole Miss becuase they were about to turn the corner.


Yes they were about to turn the corner after going 0-8 in the SEC.
Posted by Canwoodtiger
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:57 pm to
We could do so much better. O does not deserve to be HC. He only deserves to be a DL coach. He is not qualified and lack the basic skill sets.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:57 pm to
Yeah I just caught up to the thread. Still he was a terrible coach and leader at Ole Miss, and I don't think LSU should be the proving grounds for his redemption.
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:58 pm to
I agree he wasn't good at ole miss. What has he done since then? Proven his worth at every step
Posted by Canwoodtiger
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:58 pm to
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Yeah I just caught up to the thread. Still he was a terrible coach and leader at Ole Miss, and I don't think LSU should be the proving grounds for his redemption.


Agreed. We don't owe him anything as far as redemption. IMHO he had his shot vs. Bama and UF and blew it.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:59 pm to
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Like I said I'm not trying to lead the charge for O. But it's also a blind witchhunt on her against him


It's only a blind witch hunt because somehow he's become our third choice out of every single coach in the country. I'm not saying he would be better than some people, but I also cannot believe there's not a coach in between Fisher/Herman and then dropping to Coach O.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:59 pm to
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What has he done since then? Proven his worth at every step



He should do like every other coach does and get a job at a mid-major and prove himself there. LSU isn't a reform school.
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 3:59 pm to
Why can we do better. Looks like our top two choices have spurned us. If that's the case then why is fedora an improvement.


Worst case scenario ed sucks like everyone on here says. He's fired and the talent is stocked locked and loaded for the next guy
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:00 pm to
Sorry I'd rather look at what he did at LSU this year than what he could do at North Texas before coming back.
This post was edited on 11/25/16 at 4:01 pm
Posted by tigerbaitlawyer
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:00 pm to
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Les has had better recruiting classes at LSU than saban. So same thing right?



We over paid Miles and that is why he was so hard to get rid of. Why pay even more money to a candidate that has averaged 3 losses a season at FSU and Houston.

See aTm with Sumlin when you overreach and then over pay.

You pay for future results not past performance. If Fisher and Herman win a Natty, I would make them the highest paid coach, but not before with a guarenteed contract. That gives them 0 incentive to produce. See MIles
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:01 pm to
Fisher has won a Natty.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8685 posts
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:01 pm to
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I agree he wasn't good at ole miss. What has he done since then? Proven his worth at every step


Yes he has proven his worth as a member of a coaching staff. How has he proven his worth as the HC of a school who wants to be a perennial national title contender? He went 11-4 with one win against a decent team with two of the most stacked rosters in the country at LSU and USC. Props to him for steadying the ship in both cases in some stormy waters, but I fail to see how his performance qualifies him for our job.
Posted by TigerCliff777
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:02 pm to
starting to smell like Gumbo !!!

the melt with the Jimbo/Herman only dudes
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
19059 posts
Posted on 11/25/16 at 4:02 pm to
Proven his worth? By losing to the only teams with a pulse that we played? Or by winning against absolute shite teams?
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