re: ULL Coach: "LSU Probably Doesn't Want to Play this Game"

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The moral of the story is LSU blocks instate schools from certain methods of funding their own programs.

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As one ULL poster just pointed out, it looks like LSU isn't the main problem when ULL's own Alumni in the State legislature aren't even helping your cause.

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If we had SEC Network money we wouldnt need funding either

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To be fair, LSU and SEC schools were raking it in long before the SEC Network was a thing. That's what having a product people want to see can get you.

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Louisiana needs one higer ed system, and one school should get the majority of funds to try and attract/keep the best students in state and get the most research dollars

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But that's exactly what's happening now, and if you take a critical, unbiased look at how well lsu has done with that extra funding you will understand some of our frustration.

I'd be willing to bet both ULL and LSU would find common ground on their agendas if the State would commit to Higher Ed reform (i.e., shutting down/re-purposing failing Universities, reorganizing programs, etc.). That could mean more funding for both LSU and ULL. A win-win.

Or, ULL could always bend the knee and become LSU-L.

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ULL's problem, one LSU is also experiencing, is the high number of under-performing 4 year institutions in La, and the generally bloated systems. There is only so much of the pie to go around.

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We are on the same page on this. The whole debacle with SUNO a few years ago is a prime example. You have UNO across the street and Delgado a mile away, yet you want to fight to keep a school with only 1500 students and a 5% graduate rate open at the expense of the taxpayer. And I know what the counter argument was on this (we won't get into that lol), but logically; it made no sense.

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There is no reason why a State with a population of 4.5M people needs all of these four year institutions. Direct the vitriol at LSU if you want, but both ULL and LSU (and La Tech) are wing-clipped because of the aforementioned schools that don't earn their keep.

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As mentioned before, the split between the systems made it a level playing field on this. I was referring to a time before this happened. It was common knowledge back in the day where a university would get a department and LSU would swoop in and go, "hey we need that too!" And the state would either A0 grant it to them or B) just steal the department away from that school and give it to LSU. But at the same time, you're right. Schools like LSU-A, LSU-B, LSU-C, LSU-DEF, etc. and even a few schools in the UL system cost the state money.

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Also, don't blame LSU for looking out and fighting for its own good -- you're proud of it when ULL does it, but when LSU does it you spit venom. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. You wanna roll with the big boys, you're gonna have to play hard ball, but don't get angry when you get it in return.

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It's not about LSU fighting for its own good. What's frustrating as an outsider looking in with LSU is the fact that the school has been shown clear favoritism in the state for almost a century and has, in my honest opinion, underachieved. They just throw money around. Before the school became a Tier 1 around 10 years ago, I was told that it was one of the longest running Tier 2 flagships in the country. Not to mention, there was a thread on here about a month ago of them being ranked in the bottom 3 of the SEC in regards to academic ranks. How?!?!?!?!? Instead of focusing on trying to look "big" and constantly throwing the "flagship" title around (yes, I know they are the flagship) and doing nothing about it, start focusing on programs you're good at and pour money where the school can succeed. But a lot of people in this state don't care about that. As long as the Tigers are winning on Saturdays in the Fall, everyone is happy.

As for our school in Lafayette, our short term goal is Tier 1, which we are around ~30 Phd's from obtaining. We are also the only school in the state that is actually not in debt, yet we do take a hit on the cuts like everyone else. Now, we have also had our share of poor leadership both academically and athletically in the past, but that's changed over the past decade or so. What we do from now on is on us. I refer to the politics on the past century, a lot of which LSU has been on the winning end.

Ha...you had me right up to your last statement.

Wow that dude talks a lot of shite

This is a good discussion, thanks. But question: of those 3 different systems, and 14 different 'universities,' does not lsu get the lions share of the funding?

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The amount of funding that school has received compared to other in-state schools over the last century is staggering. It wasn’t until the UL and LSU system separated around 20 years ago that there was a hint of a level playing field. Why do you think LSU is taking such a massive hit financially this past decade compared to other schools in the state?

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Just like I asked your fellow ULL fan last week, how about you provide some links to all these things you are saying. All I hear is LSU stole or blocked all of ULL's progress in the last 90 years but why don't you prove it.

The percentage of LSU's budget funded by the state is 13%
All that politcal bs you here out of F. King's mouth is abotu 25% true

No indeed. But all you have to do is read a few of the posts on this thread pointing out how much lsu has underachieved through the years, despite having such huge advantages given to them, to understand our frustration.

It takes more to be a 'flagship' than just beating everyone over the head with the title.

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No indeed. But all you have to do is read a few of the posts on this thread pointing out how much lsu has underachieved through the years, despite having such huge advantages given to them, to understand our frustration.

It takes more to be a 'flagship' than just beating everyone over the head with the title.

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So tell you where LSU has underachieved so much relative to the funding they receive and the political and economic climate of the state.