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re: turning point on miles
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:54 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:54 pm to SammyTiger
Oh and this
He must be a psychic then because OK St didn't lose for another 2 weeks along with other things playing out
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He knew we were going to have to play Bama Again
He must be a psychic then because OK St didn't lose for another 2 weeks along with other things playing out
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:54 pm to JETigER
quote:I just stroked out trying to read this
les miles had an opinion on RP and BH and those opinions changed, because les miles didn't know what was in their heart. In the same sense I don't know what is in les miles heart but I can have an opinion just like les miles had an opinion on RP and BH. And les miles opinion changed on RP and BH so likewise my opinion can change on les miles
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:54 pm to kingbob
I only want to know why Miles hated JL so much if that story is true....
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:58 pm to SammyTiger
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I know everyone wanted Les to just anything to change the outcome of that game, but that doesn't mean JL was the answer.
You make adjustments. shite, he made one in the first game and it worked. You haven't crossed the 50 all game yet you keep banging your head against the wall. The definition of insanity...
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:59 pm to CptBengal
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I only want to know why Miles hated JL so much if that story is true....
The rumor (that I made up) is that Jarret Lee banged Miles's oldest daughter.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:59 pm to SammyTiger
quote:And since it was painfully obvious that JJ wasn't the answer, when CLM did not try JL, just to see what might shake down, I guess we'll just never no. Oh well, just a national championship...
that doesn't mean JL was the answer.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:01 pm to etm512
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He must be a psychic then because OK St didn't lose for another 2 weeks along with other things playing out
It didn't take a psychic to figure out that LSU and Bama were head and shoulders above the rest of CFB that year.
I actually still have an email that I sent to a buddy dated Nov 3, 2011 (2 days before the first matchup) where I predicted the game would be 3 points either way, possibly even going to OT. I also said I wouldn't be surprised to see a rematch.
And I'm no psychic.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:01 pm to RB10
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Nah I think it's West title or bust next year for Les. Most of the fan base seems to be fed up with being "just one game away".
We are not winning the West next year. In fact, I think we finish 3rd or 4th in the division. 8-4 maybe 9-3. And Les will not be going anywhere.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:02 pm to JawjaTigah
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And since it was painfully obvious that JJ wasn't the answer, when CLM did not try JL, just to see what might shake down, I guess we'll just never no. Oh well, just a national championship...
I want a coach who does what ever he thinks will work, not just tries anything.
JL was historically TERRIBLE against Bama, not just in LSU's first game against them in 2011, but every game he had ever played.
JJ was coming off of beating Bama 2 years in a row.
Second guessing is great, but when you really think about it, the choice was obvious.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:02 pm to MarlinMan
1/9/12 was when I finally stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt. He really showed his weaknesses as a coach.
Saban completely exposed him like he did to so many coaches before him.
Saban completely exposed him like he did to so many coaches before him.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:04 pm to kingbob
quote:I think some variation of this story made the rounds in the game's aftermath. Sounds plausible and yet, it is a rumor. What is not a rumor is how terribly JJ played, and how terribly inflexible our HC was that day - like a deer in the headlights, like a brook trout. He did nothing to adjust. Afraid to lose. And so he lost.
This is all just rumor mill, but one of the backup linemen on the team told a friend (they had been high school teammates, but the friend blew out his knee) this story which he relayed to me:
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:04 pm to SammyTiger
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Given JL's abysmal track record against Bama, that isn't as crazy as people like to think.
LO frickING L
didn't Lee have us close to winning against them in 08? That 08 LSU team was far inferior to Bama 08.
Didn't Lee bail JJ's and Les' asses out when he made the long pass to Randle in '10?
I wouldn't call it abysmal. He made a few bad throws early in the '11 game and that was it for Lee in 2011 despite all the other games. I knew we were fricked when JJ couldn't even move the ball against WKU.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:08 pm to SammyTiger
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Second guessing is great, but when you really think about it, the choice was obvious.
The only thing that was obvious about that game was that Les' game plan was not working and he stubbornly stuck to it until we crashed and burned. Period. Nothing else was obvious.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:12 pm to JETigER
what are you talking about? what does RP have anything to do with Harris? RP didnt play as a freshman. In fact no true frosh has started a game under Miles unless it was due to injury. BH got his chance without injury to the starter. IMO this means Miles was more willing to change this season than he has ever been.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:13 pm to Moustache
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didn't Lee have us close to winning against them in 08?
He kept us out of that game just as much as he kept us in it.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:13 pm to etm512
I think that was the best game Saban ever coached. They made two major adjustments. For the first time he threw short and about 3 medium passes on 22 of the first 26 first downs for Bama. I think he realized Bama was not going to run effectively against LSUs D on first down.
On D, when LSU ran the option instead of attacking the QB as in the previous game...the OLBs stopped dead and made JJ make a decision. Instead of running right at the OLB, JJ stopped as well. This destroyed the pitch angle with Ford and allowed Bamas pursuit to catch up with the play. The Saints coach Williams apparently told Saban this would work and boy did it.
LSU made one good move in eliminating the screen pass to Richardson which hurt the Tigers in the first game. LSUs O innovation was to put Copeland in the slot...didn't turn out well.
On D, when LSU ran the option instead of attacking the QB as in the previous game...the OLBs stopped dead and made JJ make a decision. Instead of running right at the OLB, JJ stopped as well. This destroyed the pitch angle with Ford and allowed Bamas pursuit to catch up with the play. The Saints coach Williams apparently told Saban this would work and boy did it.
LSU made one good move in eliminating the screen pass to Richardson which hurt the Tigers in the first game. LSUs O innovation was to put Copeland in the slot...didn't turn out well.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:15 pm to Moustache
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LO frickING L
didn't Lee have us close to winning against them in 08? That 08 LSU team was far inferior to Bama 08.
Eh....not really. LSU wins that game with a bit more competency at QB
I was for giving JL a shot in the BCSNC, but I don't think it would've really mattered.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:15 pm to Moustache
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Didn't Lee bail JJ's and Les' asses out when he made the long pass to Randle in '10?
I dont consider it bailing out when RR ran across the field for 30 yds keeping the play alive. Also when you add the fact that the points to put us in position to win the game was with he other qb. And that other qb laid a block for peterson on the end around on the 4th down conversion. i could easily say without JJ bailing Les out, then Lees pass, that was more on RR, would have been irrelevant.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:20 pm to Godfather1
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I actually still have an email that I sent to a buddy dated Nov 3, 2011 (2 days before the first matchup) where I predicted the game would be 3 points either way, possibly even going to OT. I also said I wouldn't be surprised to see a rematch.
The problem is LSU would never have been given the rematch if rolls were reversed. Or better yet, LSU loses in the seccg to UGA and Bama would have still gotten in playing one less game and having a home loss. LSU is left out. We still had to win the seccg to get in. They didnt. that is where the sham is.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:24 pm to JawjaTigah
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was a telling sign of a coach who was going to have his way, regardless of what was best for the team.
So you think Miles doesnt do what is best for the team? You may not think that, but im sorry i dont want a head coach that is going to be swayed by some fans or someone outside of that building. Period. You think saban is going to let someone tell him what to do? or Belicheck? frick no. All three of those guys have won and cost their teams championships.
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