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re: Trusting a coach...... difference in one coach to another
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:02 pm to Keeper (LSU)
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:02 pm to Keeper (LSU)
Well said Keeper...Saban NEVER seemed to make the adjustments like Miles has.
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Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:02 pm to geauxjo
every talking head warned of inexperience at qb and the defensive back-7 in the preseason. well......
the #6 preseason ranking didn't help with the unrealistic expectations going in.
many people thought 9-3 was the benchmark for the season, but lost sight of that after the auburn win. yes, a 30-point loss is unacceptable, but some here have never had a bad day.
the #6 preseason ranking didn't help with the unrealistic expectations going in.
many people thought 9-3 was the benchmark for the season, but lost sight of that after the auburn win. yes, a 30-point loss is unacceptable, but some here have never had a bad day.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:02 pm to Rabid Tiger
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3. Miles, not so much of an eloquent speaker.
"toughy" isn't eloquent? sheesh, the man speaks poetry.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:02 pm to geauxjo
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Amazing. And Miles is not given the same type pass....while breaking in a redshirt freshman QB who hadn't taken a live snap since high school. Simply amazing.
here's the thing. LSU still had a great defense and a great scheme on D. They had that one bad game against UGA. it was still a very solid defense. That game was the superbowl for UGA and nobody in the coutnry would've beaten them that day.
A QB throwing INT's (Randall vs. Troy) doesn't reflect as poorly on the coaching as matching up a linebacker or a struggling defender on the other team's best receiver. That's the difference. And it hasn't been a one game anomaly like in 2004. It has been a recurring pattern. IF the 2004 team had Mauck or an experienced JR, they would've only lost one game, IMO. If this year's team had a Mauck or experienced JR type at QB, they would've still been blown out by UF b/c they don't play defense.
Miles needs to surround himself with good people.
A team with a bad offense, but tremendous D can win a lot of games in the SEC. The opposite will always lose 3-4 games on average.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:04 pm to Keeper (LSU)
Man, there is way to much common sense, sanity, level-headedness, clarity and lack of knee-jerk reactions in this thread for most Tiger fans right now. This may be my favorite thread since the Fla. game.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:04 pm to Moustache
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A team with a bad offense, but tremendous D can win a lot of games in the SEC. The opposite will always lose 3-4 games on average.
i.e. Dinardo's last 2 years.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:05 pm to Moustache
Well your argument is not well represented if you are saying that Saban's teams met these requirements. He lost atleast three all but one year, and had a "good defense".
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:06 pm to Dice
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Keeper
Miles seems to be A LOT more stubborn at making changes than Saban ever was, IMO.
I'm not saying Miles<Saban. Both are great coaches and Saban is proven.
We'll find out this year what Miles is made of. If they only lose 3 games, then we've got a damn good coach and damn good team. IF he drops 4, especially 5, then there are a LOT of questionmarks about his loyalty and stubborness.
Saban made plenty of half time adjustments on D to shut something down. I guarantee McFadden wouldn't run on his D like that.
The games Saban has lost (with the exception of UGA 04) has been b/c of a poor offense and conservative playcalling for the most part, which is something I definitely do not miss. Saban sucks dick at offense.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:07 pm to Moustache
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IF the 2004 team had Mauck or an experienced JR, they would've only lost one game, IMO
Not in mine. Not based on Saban's resume while here. Besides the fact that you can't simply "add" in a player here or there in a much needed position to make a point.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:07 pm to Moustache
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How is it that Saban commanded so much confidence with LSU fans?
What I mean, is that despite embarrassments like the 31-0 loss to Bama, 35-24 to Ole Miss in 01, 31-7 to Auburn, 45-16 to UGA, on and on.....I felt a sense that he knew what he was doing adn the ship was okay. I don't believe I was the only one with that feeling.
Revisionist history.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:07 pm to geauxjo
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agree with what you said, about Saban anyway. he would directly address the problems with us, the fans.
Ditto. Pretty much the reason many long time fans are pissed right now. What Les really sees I have no clue. If you base it by his comments, looks like the players. WIth Saban, he was very direct. Anxious to see if Les's press conference statements were rhetoric or how he really feels. He never has had a loss like this at LSU.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:09 pm to Moustache
You say Saban's defense made tons of corrections, but am I the only one that remembers being constantly frustrated with his lack of change, just like this year, on defense. Offensively, I think we adjust very well, sometimes too well, but defensively the adjustment is not there yet.
This post was edited on 10/14/08 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:12 pm to geauxjo
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Not in mine. Not based on Saban's resume while here. Besides the fact that you can't simply "add" in a player here or there in a much needed position to make a point.
WE would've been in a lot better situation than we were.
I'm not saying Saban is better than Miles. But the myths about the man goes both ways.
People mention about his 3 losses per season.
2 of those seasons were b/c he took over a program that was freaking 3-8! In two years he had us at 10-3. NOt fair for him to take criticism on that. Just like it isn't fair for Miles to take criticism on his 2005 season with the hurricane and all.
1 of those seasons was b/c we had a complete lack of QB. Although, the secondary was questionable in 2002 with Damien James quitting and them being young. I'm hoping history repeats itself and 2008 is our 2002. and 09 will be the new 2003!
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:14 pm to GeauxTigers777
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You say Saban's defense made tons of corrections, but am I the only one that remembers being constantly frustrated with his lack of change, just like this year, on defense. Offensively, I think we adjust very well, sometimes too well, but defensively the adjustment is not there yet.
He did have plenty of flaws for us to bitch about. But there's no doubt the defense carried his teams in 2002-2004. Especially in 2004, outside the UGA game. Hopefully the UF game is an anomaly just like the UGA game was.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:15 pm to Moustache
I have a really clear memory of the insanity and meltdowns directed at Little Beelzebub.
where was that confidence after Little Teacup's defense let Arky go the length of the field in TWO (count em) plays in 02, costing us an SEC championship ?
Where was his gravitas after the Iowa debacle ?
Remember the ridicule The Diminutive Dictator endured after bama drummed us ?
I could go on and on....
Look, the Russian people want a Czar. know what I'm saying ? Some people want that Angry Little Dictator approach. Others don't.
Where Tiny Dancer succeded at LSU was he had a clear narrative (the process) which he repeated endlessly. LSU fans INTERNALIZED it, and made it their own. This was his simple brilliance. He did what smart people do. He made it seem like it was our idea.
I prefer Les Miles 24/7/365. He's my kind of guy and my kind of coach. he's the kind of guy I responded to when I played ball. Others prefer The Little Teacup.
The disrespect shown in Baton Rouge to THE HAT is largely based on fear of losing and an "I told ya so" mentality.
where was that confidence after Little Teacup's defense let Arky go the length of the field in TWO (count em) plays in 02, costing us an SEC championship ?
Where was his gravitas after the Iowa debacle ?
Remember the ridicule The Diminutive Dictator endured after bama drummed us ?
I could go on and on....
Look, the Russian people want a Czar. know what I'm saying ? Some people want that Angry Little Dictator approach. Others don't.
Where Tiny Dancer succeded at LSU was he had a clear narrative (the process) which he repeated endlessly. LSU fans INTERNALIZED it, and made it their own. This was his simple brilliance. He did what smart people do. He made it seem like it was our idea.
I prefer Les Miles 24/7/365. He's my kind of guy and my kind of coach. he's the kind of guy I responded to when I played ball. Others prefer The Little Teacup.
The disrespect shown in Baton Rouge to THE HAT is largely based on fear of losing and an "I told ya so" mentality.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:15 pm to Moustache
You continually give Saban excuses for QB etc. but you don't give Miles an excuse for QB this year?? Also you mentioned earlier that the defense was mostly intact. Besides the line, who also lost their main performer, the defense is a patchwork of untested talent this year. I think you are making excuses for Saban, but are being guilty of the topic of the thread by not applying those excuses across the board.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:16 pm to Moustache
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He did have plenty of flaws for us to bitch about. But there's no doubt the defense carried his teams in 2002-2004. Especially in 2004, outside the UGA game. Hopefully the UF game is an anomaly just like the UGA game was.
just taking a look at the defensive rankings will tell you that defense wasn't the problem for most of his teams.
Although in 2001 we did have the imitator of Fred Thomas in Hookfin.
Miles teams are gutsier and have pulled out some wins that i think Saban would've been too conservative to pull out, IMO.
However, defensive breakdowns led to some losses that we wouldn't have lost either, like UK and Arky last year. Not saying if Saban was the coach we go undefeated last year, he probably would've lost to Auburn or UF last year.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:17 pm to geauxjo
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Amazing. And Miles is not given the same type pass....while breaking in a redshirt freshman QB who hadn't taken a live snap since high school. Simply amazing.
I know that expectations are higher now, "We don't rebuild, we reload", bullshite! Losing a ton of players is going to hurt any team, even ours. Les has done an incredible job of keeping everything going as good as anyone could.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:19 pm to Moustache
I know what you are saying in the defense breakdowns, but those breakdowns were just as prevalent in the Saban years. The thing was, the breakdowns were at pivotal plays in big games. Les's defensive approach is more like Saban's offensive approach and vise versa.
Posted on 10/14/08 at 4:23 pm to GeauxTigers777
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You continually give Saban excuses for QB etc. but you don't give Miles an excuse for QB this year?? Also you mentioned earlier that the defense was mostly intact. Besides the line, who also lost their main performer, the defense is a patchwork of untested talent this year. I think you are making excuses for Saban, but are being guilty of the topic of the thread by not applying those excuses across the board.
I gave Miles an excuse for an inexperienced QB and young secondary already. I am giving out both excuses. Some people don't want to say anything postiive about Saban. However, people don't want to say anything positive about Miles, either.
I said hopefully this year is like 2002 adn next year will be like 2003.
As far as guilty of the topic, that's exactly the point. People let Saban off the hook (or trusted him more) than they did Miles. Why? because of the many reasons people stated.
I have stated that I believe Miles may or may not rebound us around from the debacle. i don't have that trust in him like I did Saban.
From Miles track record with us thus far, I think he can bring us around. The question is if he is too loyal to the scheme or his staff. Nobody knows the answer to that.
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