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Transparency from these medical committees advising?
Posted on 8/12/20 at 6:39 am
Posted on 8/12/20 at 6:39 am
I see these committees being relied on and named for the ultimate decision. Quotes such as, the”high risk” sport of football. “too much uncertainty regarding potential medical risks to allow our student-athletes to compete this fall.”
Please elaborate? What risks exactly? Simply catching the virus? Are we trying to avoid, dare I say eliminate, positive tests? Impossible. if that is the benchmark then please stop now trying.
I’m open to hearing about the risks to 18-22 year old males. Please show us. Wow us with the statistics. Open our eyes. But sitting behind closed doors and emerging to say, “medical advice says, ....... “ seems absurd to me.
Please elaborate? What risks exactly? Simply catching the virus? Are we trying to avoid, dare I say eliminate, positive tests? Impossible. if that is the benchmark then please stop now trying.
I’m open to hearing about the risks to 18-22 year old males. Please show us. Wow us with the statistics. Open our eyes. But sitting behind closed doors and emerging to say, “medical advice says, ....... “ seems absurd to me.
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Posted on 8/12/20 at 6:43 am to John cocktoasten
Transparency? Don't hold your breath.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 6:45 am
Posted on 8/12/20 at 6:51 am to John cocktoasten
The Greatest Medical Expert of All Time sez, "Wear you mask or you'll kill us all!!"
Posted on 8/12/20 at 6:52 am to John cocktoasten
There will never be transparency because the data clearly says this virus is a nothing burger. All they have is cases. If they would talk about the 0% death rate for college age kids, everyone would be playing.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 6:53 am to John cocktoasten
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Please elaborate? What risks exactly? Simply catching the virus? Are we trying to avoid, dare I say eliminate, positive tests? Impossible. if that is the benchmark then please stop now trying.
The converse of that is that they could not possibly weigh the risks of these kids in these team protocols vs. what the risks would be outside of those...if they were at home or not playing but on campus for instance. But if they could, and in a few years looking back there likely will be data...I'd be very interested in seeing that data.
Cause that's the crux of this right...outside of college presidents afraid of being sued. These journalists and reporters railing on and using these committee reports to say it's all unsafe.
Is it really that unsafe compared to the alternative? Ask the committee's that. I doubt they could give you an answer to that, because they couldn't possibly know what these kids would be doing outside the protocols. But I was that age once and I would be willing to bet what most would be doing would put themselves and others at more risk...just my opinion.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:01 am to John cocktoasten
What else do we test for in this country (or the world) when you have no symptoms? Cancer. That's it. Can you imagine walking into your doctor's office and saying "Hey Doc, I feel fine and have no symptoms, but how about a flu test for the fun of it" But yet, that is what we are doing with rona.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:10 am to John cocktoasten
Like many “political” decisions, they are going to emerge from the smoke filled rooms and cite “medical risks”. meanwhile, none of us know the medical risks, because we aren’t deemed in a high enough of class of people privileged enough to know. The fix will be in.
Worse off, no questions, no nosy journalists, nobody pushing for deeper explanations of what these risks are to athletes. Just get the spoon fed line and no ability to question it. JBE and BESE pulling all the strings along with some committee of white coats?? Who are these people.
If there really is a risk to teens and early 20s athletes, then apparently most of us don’t know what it is... please enlighten us with the dirty details and count me in on the side of being cautious. If not, move out of the gdamn way and play ball!
Worse off, no questions, no nosy journalists, nobody pushing for deeper explanations of what these risks are to athletes. Just get the spoon fed line and no ability to question it. JBE and BESE pulling all the strings along with some committee of white coats?? Who are these people.
If there really is a risk to teens and early 20s athletes, then apparently most of us don’t know what it is... please enlighten us with the dirty details and count me in on the side of being cautious. If not, move out of the gdamn way and play ball!
Posted on 8/12/20 at 7:18 am to John cocktoasten
It's not the medical outcomes that they fear. You can thank our litigous society for what we are suffering from now. I would like for someone to explain how does someone prove where they became infected.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:07 am to tenderfoot tigah
There will never be transparency because the data clearly says this virus is a nothing burger.
WHO's Data says this? Are you reading all the data or what is being spoon fed to you by one source?
WHO's Data says this? Are you reading all the data or what is being spoon fed to you by one source?
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:27 am to Woodman
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this virus is a nothing burger.
May be, but it has killed more than twice what were killed in Viet Nam and I was scared $hitless then.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:28 am to John cocktoasten
Irrelevant argument as football is an extracurricular activity in college. Extracurricular activities in college are canceled all the time for a number of various reasons. If this was “we’re not playing frisbee golf this year because (insert any number of reasons)” you wouldn’t give two shits, but because this is over a sport you are semi obsessed with, it’s a big deal to you.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:51 am to Woodman
Survival rate (total population) 99.96%
Survival rate (<18yo) 99.9982%
Survival rate (<18yo) 99.9982%
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:56 am to J2thaROC
Very true, but frisbee golf doesn’t generate millions of dollars a year for the college and state. This isn’t about just the colleges; this is about everything tied to a program including merchandising, recruitment, and vendors.
Also, if there is so much concern for the athlete, then college football would have been done long ago. It’s a brutal sport and we know that concussions and injuries are debilitating As athletes age. This is about lawsuits and politics. The statistics on Covid deaths for this age group is apparent. The longtime complications of ANY disease or virus can rear their heads down the road. Hello, shingles. So this propaganda reviving around long term health risks is just that. We live in a dangerous world. We all decide every day how much we expose ourselves to danger. When we drive, we we work, or play.
If college athletics is shuttered, the ramifications are way worse than five people thirty years from now dying of a heart disease issue related to a virus they contracted years before. Yes, every person matters, but we’ll be tossing the Olympic swimming pool out with that baby.
Also, if there is so much concern for the athlete, then college football would have been done long ago. It’s a brutal sport and we know that concussions and injuries are debilitating As athletes age. This is about lawsuits and politics. The statistics on Covid deaths for this age group is apparent. The longtime complications of ANY disease or virus can rear their heads down the road. Hello, shingles. So this propaganda reviving around long term health risks is just that. We live in a dangerous world. We all decide every day how much we expose ourselves to danger. When we drive, we we work, or play.
If college athletics is shuttered, the ramifications are way worse than five people thirty years from now dying of a heart disease issue related to a virus they contracted years before. Yes, every person matters, but we’ll be tossing the Olympic swimming pool out with that baby.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:12 am to the obvious one
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May be, but it has killed more than twice what were killed in Viet Nam and I was scared $hitless then.
Just to be clear...in 2017 2,813,503 people died in the US. According to statistics the top 10 causes of death in the US are as follow:
1. Heart Disease
2. Cancer
3. Unintentional injuries
4. Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease
5. Stroke and Cerebrovascular Disease
6. Alzheimer's Disease
7. Diabetes
8. Flu & Pneumonia
9. Kidney Disease
10. Suicide
If comparing the number of deaths to Vietnam scares you then I feel for you as it would seem you must live in a constant state of fear.
I often wonder why we live in fear of the absolute 100% chance of the inevitable...death.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:26 am to augustbengal
Some doctors are going to meet and give a medical opinion. It looks like some here feel educated enough to argue with them. The whole idea in fighting this epidemic is disperse and avoid crowds. The slower the epidemic’s progress the more time is allowed to develop a drug treatment or vaccine. That means less suffering and misery. I’m a physician working with corona virus patients. I suggest listening to these doctors. There’s very little about corona that justifies a cocksure attitude, but what is known is that avoiding crowds slows the spread.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:18 am to John cocktoasten
Why not a preventive dosage of hydrochloroquil, z-pac and zinc and play ball! Oh forgot. That’s outlawed even though it has worked for 60 years harmlessly and has proven effective in country after country, including the USA, in the early treatment of COVID!
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:34 am to Tigre Lagoon
The survival rate is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than that. It is widely acknowledged that there are a significant number of undocumented cases that have obviously all recovered. If those could be factored in, the already skyscraper high survival rate would skyrocket further. For the sheeple, yes this virus kills people, but it ain't freaking ebola, and we shouldn't be shutting bullspit down the way we have. Wake up!!!!!
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:58 am to augustbengal
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Very true, but frisbee golf doesn’t generate millions of dollars a year for the college and state. This isn’t about just the colleges; this is about everything tied to a program including merchandising, recruitment, and vendors.
Then you should also support the legalization of all drugs and prostitution because both those industries literally make billions per year. If your argument is based on the financial gain from having a football season is more important the same argument could and should also be applied to prostitution and drugs except it gets worse in the case of prostitution and drugs because we aren’t just not allowed to profit off those industries but they in fact cost taxpayers millions per year in a vain attempt to stop them.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:00 pm to John cocktoasten
I believe the fact that 5 big ten players who had covid-19 ended up with heart damage. My guess is that was one of the deciding factors. The possible lawsuits from any someone filing a case against them for something like that had to weigh on their minds. I mean even if they were able to successfully fight and win the case, the cost of litigation would be high. Plus it would be a PR nightmare.
Hopefully they end up spelling out what all went into their decision. Would really be nice to know all the details.
Hopefully they end up spelling out what all went into their decision. Would really be nice to know all the details.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:05 pm to mlminbtr
quote:
Just to be clear...in 2017 2,813,503 people died in the US. According to statistics the top 10 causes of death in the US are as follow: 1. Heart Disease 2. Cancer 3. Unintentional injuries 4. Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease 5. Stroke and Cerebrovascular Disease 6. Alzheimer's Disease 7. Diabetes 8. Flu & Pneumonia 9. Kidney Disease 10. Suicide If comparing the number of deaths to Vietnam scares you then I feel for you as it would seem you must live in a constant state of fear. I often wonder why we live in fear of the absolute 100% chance of the inevitable...death.
If this is your argument, it’s a weak one. If your argument is that “other things kill us too” then why should we have speed limits, why are certain drugs illegal, why do cars have to have seat belts (would save the auto industry billions/year if they were not required), why is it illegal to drive under the influence, why can’t I own a nuclear bomb (after all, death from a nuclear explosion is extremely rare).... I could keep going forever with this but the short answer is your argument has more holes than Swiss Cheese.
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