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re: Top 10 LSU QBs - Geaux
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:26 am to lsu2006
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:26 am to lsu2006
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You could also argue in the alternative that JaMarcus elevated the play of those around him to inflate their worth. Was Buster Davis really a first-round talent? Doucet was drafted in the 3rd and currently isn't on an NFL roster after being on a practice squad last year. Bowe was and is a beast. No getting around that. So, JaMarcus had unbelievable talent around him, but the National Title squad that Flynn played on didn't? We had a wayyy better running game in 2007 than we did in '05 or '06, really good receivers and a very good tight end in Dickson. What about the talent around Mauck? The talent around Mett?
Great points. So what are your top 5? JR first? If the qualifications are statistics at LSU, then JR probably has to be the best... Although, I have a hard time looking people in the eye from other schools and saying JR is best LSU QB of all time... Michigan people love to say Tom Brady is best QB of all time but he couldn't even qualify as starter at Michigan for most of his entire career there... Bert Jones has a NFL MVP to his credit...
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:37 am to TopsInAmericaTim
Even comparing Bert Jones to JR is tough due to different eras but anyone trying to put someone other than those two at #1 is delusional. Nobody who knows how to use the internet remembers YA so that's just a NFL legend we throw in there.
I'd say 90% of realistic fans have Hodson in the top 3 and some make the case for #1 but I just can't do it. It's usually the generation who saw him during their time at LSU who worship him.
After that it gets really debatable with Mauck, Davey, Flynn, Tyler, Mett and old guys who rarely threw the ball but people over 50 think could still play today. While I agree Mauck didn't have the best numbers and probably would have done well with a less talented team, he still deserves to be in there ahead of Tyler.
I'd say 90% of realistic fans have Hodson in the top 3 and some make the case for #1 but I just can't do it. It's usually the generation who saw him during their time at LSU who worship him.
After that it gets really debatable with Mauck, Davey, Flynn, Tyler, Mett and old guys who rarely threw the ball but people over 50 think could still play today. While I agree Mauck didn't have the best numbers and probably would have done well with a less talented team, he still deserves to be in there ahead of Tyler.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:38 am to TigersforEver
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JR - hands down any other #1 is wrong
Then you're wrong. Bert Jones is the answer. Not his fault he played in a run-heavy era and for a coach who swore by a two-QB rotation.
Proof of his talent is in how he played in the NFL…oh, and don’t give me any noise about “We’re talking about college here.” Modern football history is littered with “amazing college QBs” who, when playing on the more even talent levels found NFL, crumbled.
No way you can talk about “greatest” and ignore how they transferred to the NFL (unless you’re talking about someone who’s NFL career was cut short due to injury or, like Cecil Collins, profound stupidity).
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:40 am to ffhouston
Just ignore the NFL stats. I can do it. Why cant you?
Cassel never saw the field at USC but had a better career in NFL than Leinhart. Is he a better USC QB?
Cassel never saw the field at USC but had a better career in NFL than Leinhart. Is he a better USC QB?
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:41 am to ffhouston
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No way you can talk about “greatest”
So that means Tim Tebow and Vince Young weren't very good?
Hell, Tim Couch was a great college player
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:43 am to TopsInAmericaTim
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Great points. So what are your top 5? JR first? If the qualifications are statistics at LSU, then JR probably has to be the best... Although, I have a hard time looking people in the eye from other schools and saying JR is best LSU QB of all time... Michigan people love to say Tom Brady is best QB of all time but he couldn't even qualify as starter at Michigan for most of his entire career there... Bert Jones has a NFL MVP to his credit...
Why can't you take pride in the accomplishments of your team's players? The NFL is a different field of play and what a player does there does not change what they accomplished while in college. Why can't you look someone in the eye and tell them the truth? JR was a great college quarterback and arguably the best quarterback to ever play for LSU. He won a ton of big games. Led a whole host of great come from behind victories. He crushed teams with lesser talent and won more games than he lost to teams with comparable talent. I don't understand LSU fans that can't take pride in what JR accomplished at LSU. It is like Florida or Texas fans disowning Tebow and Young. It is stupid.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:44 am to TopsInAmericaTim
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Great points. So what are your top 5?
Some combination of:
Jones
Russell
Davey
Hodson
Mettenberger or maybe Tyler?
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Although, I have a hard time looking people in the eye from other schools and saying JR is best LSU QB of all time
Why?
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Michigan people love to say Tom Brady is best QB of all time but he couldn't even qualify as starter at Michigan for most of his entire career there... Bert Jones has a NFL MVP to his credit...
This is about college.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:45 am to Big EZ Tiger
How many QBS played for a whole career? Tyler had zero competition and a hell of a running game around him. He stayed 4 years because the NFL wasn't an option. JR, Davey, Flynn, Mauck, and Mett were all played for less than 2 years basically so of course Tyler has more wins.
He didn't have a TD pass against Florida in 97 so let's back off the huge part there. Tyler helped take us out of a dark period but he wasn't the primary piece of that offense.
He didn't have a TD pass against Florida in 97 so let's back off the huge part there. Tyler helped take us out of a dark period but he wasn't the primary piece of that offense.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:47 am to ffhouston
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No way you can talk about “greatest” and ignore how they transferred to the NFL
Yes you can.
Tim Tebow is one of the single best college football players I've ever seen. He sucked arse in the NFL. Same goes for Wuerfell (sp), Couch, Crouch and so very many others.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:51 am to Clark W Griswold
Bert Jones
........everyone else
........everyone else
Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:11 am to Clark W Griswold
JR....... 
Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:16 am to Ringeaux
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JR.......
What's so funny?
Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:36 am to glaucon
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Bert Jones lost to an unranked Ole Miss team, had two losses each season he was a full time starter, and the team couldn't manage to score a touchdown a couple times his senior season.
And this was the QB's fault? By your logic no one would have ever drafted John Elway. Look at all the crappy college teams HE lost to. JR had incredible physical gifts, and he was a competent decision maker. Bert Jones had the same physical gifts - he could throw it with accuracy just as hard and far as JR. Plus Jones was a first rate decision maker. He was definitely better than JR - and that's based on college performances.
And don't start with team results. If that's the barometer than AJ Mcarron was better than both of them, as were a half dozen nondescript Miami QBs like Gino Torretti and Steve Walsh. In fact, Matt Mauk would be our all time best. Him or whoever QBed in 1958.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:53 am to TopsInAmericaTim
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Jamarcus Russell??? Really??? Could throw the ball 80 yards off his knees, but like the Gorilla that could hit a golf ball 400 years and got up to the hole with a 3 foot putt and hit the ball another 400 yards..
Russell had the most accurate season in LSU history in 2006.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:54 am to Antonio Moss
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Russell had the most accurate season in LSU history in 2006.
Don't let stats get in the way of a good ole fashion JaMarcus bashing session.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:01 pm to lsu2006
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Don't let stats get in the way of a good ole fashion JaMarcus bashing session.
These threads are always good for segregating the retards from the rest of the pack. Anyone that argues that Russell was just a "big arm" QB is a retard and shouldn't be given any credibility.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:09 pm to Antonio Moss
I honestly get the feeling that people dislike him as a person because he didn't live up to his billing as the No. 1 pick in the draft. It's bizarre, but really, it's probably something I'll never understand. He was straight money at LSU and there's no getting around it. Anyone leaving him out of their top 5, or even top 3, either wasn't paying attention, has zero perspective, is being willfully ignorant or has some kind of odd personal vendetta against JR.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:15 pm to lsu2006
People hated JR when he was here because he didn't come in a start immediately after being so highly recruited. He had to split time in 2004 and people just decided they didn't like him. He got better in 2005 and was awesome in 2006. But the people had made up their mind. Then he went to a shitty NFL team, got fat and quit caring. So people hated him and couldn't admit his greatness.
At the same time people think Brad Wing is the greatest punter ever and Chad Jones was the best safety in history. Because of things they did outside of their actual position. LSU fans are dumb in general.
At the same time people think Brad Wing is the greatest punter ever and Chad Jones was the best safety in history. Because of things they did outside of their actual position. LSU fans are dumb in general.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:35 pm to TopsInAmericaTim
1. Bert Jones
2. YA Tittle
2. JaMarcus Russell
3. Tommy Hodson
4. Zach Mettenberger
5. Rohan Davey
6. Matt Flynn
7. Matt Mauck
8. Herb Tyler
9. Alan Risher
10. Josh Booty
2. YA Tittle
2. JaMarcus Russell
3. Tommy Hodson
4. Zach Mettenberger
5. Rohan Davey
6. Matt Flynn
7. Matt Mauck
8. Herb Tyler
9. Alan Risher
10. Josh Booty
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:37 pm to Clark W Griswold
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How many QBS played for a whole career?
Not many because many are redshirted and sit the bench for a few years before even being ready. A good number of others get the job and lose it to another player because they're not doing well enough.
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Tyler had zero competition and a hell of a running game around him.
Well, it wasn't crazy competition, but Craig Nall was on the roster for a few years with Tyler and he ended up getting drafted in the 5th round by Green Bay and kicking it around the NFL for about 7 or so years. He obviously had the tools, but Tyler was better at LSU. Rohan was a backup to Tyler too, but he got redshirted. And when has LSU not had a good running game? Maybe the Curley era? Tyler was part of that good running game. He was top 10 in rushing TDs for three straight years in the SEC.
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JR, Davey, Flynn, Mauck, and Mett were all played for less than 2 years basically so of course Tyler has more wins.
So what...it doesn't change the fact. We weren't the giant killers we are now either.
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He didn't have a TD pass against Florida in 97 so let's back off the huge part there.
He had a 40-yard TD-run and an 11-yard TD run to go with 170+ passing and no INTS. He scored two of our three offensive touchdowns in that game and had no turnovers(see UF's 4 interceptions). So he was huge.
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Tyler helped take us out of a dark period but he wasn't the primary piece of that offense.
He was a big piece of it. It's a team and he was the QB. Faulk, Faneca, etc., were all huge pieces of it.
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