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re: Toliver to Miles: Thanks, bud...or not?
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:41 am to therocketscientist
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:41 am to therocketscientist
...my perspective :
TT seemed a bit "lazy" at the small, detail things that a WR need to focus on early on in carreer ( 'til SR year perhaps?) :
- Running complete routes each time like he was going to get the ball. (i.e took some "plays off" )
- Running the CORRECT route. My layman's observations looked like some were "out of place" . But thats just me.
- not much of a blocker.
- inconsistent with the catches. Some great. Some easy drops.
Senior year he looked way better for the most part, so I have to say it was the draft combines that the ol' bug-a-boos showed up again.
TT seemed a bit "lazy" at the small, detail things that a WR need to focus on early on in carreer ( 'til SR year perhaps?) :
- Running complete routes each time like he was going to get the ball. (i.e took some "plays off" )
- Running the CORRECT route. My layman's observations looked like some were "out of place" . But thats just me.
- not much of a blocker.
- inconsistent with the catches. Some great. Some easy drops.
Senior year he looked way better for the most part, so I have to say it was the draft combines that the ol' bug-a-boos showed up again.
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:03 pm to Jaketigger
Bowe lead the league in TD's for most of the last season and you want to string him up? You are an idiot, not a fan. Every receivers drop some passes and he drops more than some. But if he wasn't there, your team would have had no one to throw the ball too. Bowe faced the other teams best corner every game last year. As far as blaming coach Miles for a receivers ability to catch the ball is stupid.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:05 pm to rickyh
Not to mention bashing Reed when he put up decent numbers as a #3.
And again, none of this has anything to do with Toliver's shortcomings.
And again, none of this has anything to do with Toliver's shortcomings.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:26 pm to Antonio Moss
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Not to mention bashing Reed when he put up decent numbers as a #3.
And again, none of this has anything to do with Toliver's shortcomings.
PLUEEZ a early 2nd round pick with those numbers. He won all of those awards. He was the greatest. blah, blah, blah. The point is those busting on TT now, may be eating crow in teh future. m Clayton was the BEST overall receiver coming out of LSu in the last 10 years or so. He was tremendous his rookie year. Since then he has 3 td catches. He has been a complete bust.
Bowe - while he had 15 I witnessed at least 5 more with wide open drops in the last 1.5 seasons. You can't tell me anything about him nearly being strung up up here in KC. I heard it reguarly last season and the season before.
It was always - Yeah but. He got some vets pissed at him about hazing comments, he was late to practice or missed altogether. Haley was pissed at him 1/2 the time, but he was their best option.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 12:55 pm to Antonio Moss
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Google "Calvin Johnson."
This should have ended this thread. Reggi Ball was the Qb and he still produced.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:57 pm to Jaketigger
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Jaketigger
What are you even arguing anymore?
Toliver didn't get drafted b/c he wasn't good enough?
Toliver didn't get drafted b/c he wasn't coached well?
Toliver didn't get drafted b/c Jefferson isn't good?
Toliver didn't get drafted b/c other LSU receivers were more efficient in college but not stand outs in the pros?
I don't need stats. Just an opinion.
Such as, my opinion is Toliver didn't get drafted early because of inconsistent hands.
Toliver didn't get drafted at all because every front office in the NFL did not think he was worthy of a draft pick due to health or character concern. I don't know of either, but NFL teams don't shy away from players in the later rounds due to lack of production or flawed (but fixable) techniques.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:43 pm to therocketscientist
You aren't going to like this, but the answer is this:
Toliver wasn't dealt a great hand obviously with the QB situation and the turmoil at OC. But, this is the NFL. If you have talent, they will find you. If you get invited to the combine, you get to show your ability. When you play in the All Star games, they evaluate you.
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A) 0% Miles 100% Toliver
Toliver wasn't dealt a great hand obviously with the QB situation and the turmoil at OC. But, this is the NFL. If you have talent, they will find you. If you get invited to the combine, you get to show your ability. When you play in the All Star games, they evaluate you.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:49 pm to geauxaddai
I place the blame on miles. He wants to recruit great wr's but his propensity to run the ball and underdevelop qb's leads to piss poor careers for our wr's. If I was a top recruit I would not want to go to Lsu until they prove they can develop a qb and passing game. I believe it will happen next year with mett but miles is such a micromanager I can't see us throwing the ball more than a handful of times a game.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:55 pm to golf teaching pro
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I can't see us throwing the ball more than a handful of times a game.
A handful, huh?
Posted on 5/1/11 at 3:03 pm to golf teaching pro
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Posted by golf teaching pro
You're the reason rantards get their name.
Doucet, byrd, lafell, Jackson think you're an idiot.
This post was edited on 5/1/11 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 5/1/11 at 5:18 pm to LSU GrandDad
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your post is almost typical in today's world. it seems that failure is always someone else's fault. miles teams have had a lot of WR's drafted. sure, we had qb problems, but TT's failure is 100% his fault
sounds like a long winded way to say choice A.
Which is fine, but says that the HC has zero culpability for developing and discipling a player, or that Miles did everything perfect in managing the team, inclusive of having a strong QB available for Toliver in his time at LSU, so Toliver on his own is culpable for his entire situation.
I think that is a stretch to say, but that is your opinion, so be it...you say choice A
Posted on 5/1/11 at 5:30 pm to therocketscientist
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sounds like a long winded way to say choice A.
Which is fine, but says that the HC has zero culpability for developing and discipling a player, or that Miles did everything perfect in managing the team, inclusive of having a strong QB available for Toliver in his time at LSU, so Toliver on his own is culpable for his entire situation.quote:i tried to think of a way to reply to this but I came to the conclusion that not even a "Rocket scientist"could have come up with this booshit
sounds like a long winded way to say choice A.
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 5:40 pm to therocketscientist
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, and actually shows a lot of Pro potential)
What potential?
-Not a consistent hands catcher
-Doesn't get separation
-Doesn't run great routes
Those three things alone probably prohibit you from being a pro prospect.
He does have good size and decent speed. I'm sure he'll get a invite as an UDFA... but I also don't think he really loves football like you need to.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 5:54 pm to OBUDan
TT had poor qb play and poor coaching. we all know about the poor qb play. McCarthy and crowton were below average coaches. that hurt TT.
look at where sheppard was drafted, he had 2 years of "TOP NOTCH" coaching and he was drafted before ridley, nevis, and barksdale. (chavis also got cutera and riley in the pros). in fact, I believe sheppard was drafted higher in the third round than lafell, doucet, hester, chad jones. no way that sheppard was more talented than all these guys.
COACHING MATTERS AND TT DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF IT.
coaching is miles' responsibility so I hold him accountable for the poor wr coaching.
clm is equally responsible (with TT ) for this mess.
look at where sheppard was drafted, he had 2 years of "TOP NOTCH" coaching and he was drafted before ridley, nevis, and barksdale. (chavis also got cutera and riley in the pros). in fact, I believe sheppard was drafted higher in the third round than lafell, doucet, hester, chad jones. no way that sheppard was more talented than all these guys.
COACHING MATTERS AND TT DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF IT.
coaching is miles' responsibility so I hold him accountable for the poor wr coaching.
clm is equally responsible (with TT ) for this mess.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 6:01 pm to therocketscientist
A
Posted on 5/1/11 at 6:48 pm to therocketscientist
A.
You play and start in the best conference at a college that is pretty much always a contender. He's a big guy with talent. If they didn't draft him it's not because of Miles. Miles started him year after year and he dropped a lot of passes, and when he was supposed to be a leader in the spring, he's wrecking faces in a bar and breaking his hand.
Mind you, I'm a huge TT fan and have been for years, but he didn't get drafted because of himself, not Miles.
You play and start in the best conference at a college that is pretty much always a contender. He's a big guy with talent. If they didn't draft him it's not because of Miles. Miles started him year after year and he dropped a lot of passes, and when he was supposed to be a leader in the spring, he's wrecking faces in a bar and breaking his hand.
Mind you, I'm a huge TT fan and have been for years, but he didn't get drafted because of himself, not Miles.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 6:56 pm to Larry Hollins
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look at where sheppard was drafted, he had 2 years of "TOP NOTCH" coaching and he was drafted before ridley, nevis, and barksdale.
He should have been drafted before all of them, in addition it appears to me that Kelvin has a ton of drive and is a student of the game, the NFL is looking for players who are willing to make a commitment to being a pro 365 days a year. Ridley and Barksdale were drafted way ahead of projections, so that kind of makes most arguments that the staff failed TT null and void.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 7:18 pm to golf teaching pro
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I place the blame on miles. He wants to recruit great wr's but his propensity to run the ball and underdevelop qb's leads to piss poor careers for our wr's. If I was a top recruit I would not want to go to Lsu until they prove they can develop a qb and passing game. I believe it will happen next year with mett but miles is such a micromanager I can't see us throwing the ball more than a handful of times a game.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 7:42 pm to Prominentwon
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