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re: Time to kill a myth that was once again created on the Rant
Posted on 12/30/18 at 7:58 pm to SEC Grapevine
Posted on 12/30/18 at 7:58 pm to SEC Grapevine
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inherited a loaded Roster.[/img]
Absolutely he did. The Problem is in Player Development and Scheme, Coaching, Game Planning and in-game adjustments
Player development huh.
Out of the 11 players that I counted on the offensive line there was
One senior
Two juniors
Four sophomores
Four freshmen.
How much player development do you think is going on with freshmen and sophomores? Where are LSU'S upper classmen? Where are the guys that the team needs to provide leadership?
Where are these inherited players at?
I see a bunch of freshmen and sophomores that have been pressed into service out of necessity that probably aren't ready but what are the choices.
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Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:02 pm to bencoleman
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How much player development do you think is going on with freshmen and sophomores? Where are LSU'S upper classmen? Where are the guys that the team needs to provide leadership?
Where are these inherited players at?
I see a bunch of freshmen and sophomores that have been pressed into service out of necessity that probably aren't ready but what are the choices.
Is there going to be another excuse next year if the results aren't much better?
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:05 pm to bencoleman
I do believe the o-line could be better, especially the prototypical OT'S. Playcalling also can help take pressure off the line and QB. It's not just one thing here or there, it's a culmination of things that are needed. As a staff (HC and OC), they lack a killer instinct/aggressive nature because of their fear of turnovers and it hampers the full potential of the offense.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:10 pm to bencoleman
1. Hines freshman guard
2. Wire freshman OT
3. Deculus sophomore ot
4. Traore junior ot
5. Charles sophomore OT
6. Brumfield senior of
7. Cush c sophomore
8 Smith c freshman
9 Savage sophomore old
10. Lewis junior og
11. Dare freshman OT
I couldn't find the info on redshirts. I know that some of them have taken a redshirt. In any event that doesn't have anything to do with this talent rich roster that O supposedly inherited.
2. Wire freshman OT
3. Deculus sophomore ot
4. Traore junior ot
5. Charles sophomore OT
6. Brumfield senior of
7. Cush c sophomore
8 Smith c freshman
9 Savage sophomore old
10. Lewis junior og
11. Dare freshman OT
I couldn't find the info on redshirts. I know that some of them have taken a redshirt. In any event that doesn't have anything to do with this talent rich roster that O supposedly inherited.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:12 pm to bencoleman
At least 3 seniors, Nick Brossette, Foster Moreau and Garrett Brumfield. Yes, they are overall young but other teams experience this also and their players seem to be better prepared and coached/developed primarily on the offensive side of the ball.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:13 pm to bencoleman
Those guys are talented players. They just need to be developed.
You know offensive linemen don't just become great on their own. They have to be mentored and taught.
You know offensive linemen don't just become great on their own. They have to be mentored and taught.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:13 pm to des4271
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Playcalling also can help take pressure off the line and QB. It's not just one thing here or there, it's a culmination of things that are needed
I think that's most of our issues. Everybody knows the OL had injuries. Everybody knows Miles was not the greatest recruiter of tackles. Everybody knows Orgeron seems to be doing a good job of bringing these people in. The problem seems to be that our staff does not seem to handle scheming around the issues we have.
A lot of people watching OU and Bama saw the first few series, when Bama was at the QB almost right away. Did OU continue to take it up the arse? Nope...there were adjustments made, which allowed OU to get rid of the ball. Is OU's line really miles and miles ahead of LSU's talent wise? Nope, but they adjusted and figured out how to have success on that side of the ball. Our coaches have not shown an ability to do this once.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:15 pm to HueyP
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I’d bet any amount of money aranda got Canada canned.
Partly right. Almost no one got along with Canada. He was brash and arrogant according to some of the staff. That didn't sit well with some who had been there for longer. Plus some players had difficulty learning the system. I saw part of the the playbook and it was a lot of commands, just to set the motion and formation. That was the reason that several very talented athletes didn't get much playing time.
But the biggest reason was the Ed never trusted and believed in his system and that was the ultimate reason MC was fired.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:17 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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A lot of people watching OU and Bama saw the first few series, when Bama was at the QB almost right away. Did OU continue to take it up the arse? Nope...there were adjustments made, which allowed OU to get rid of the ball.
If they'd made no adjustments that game was going to be 72-0. You're right, they didn't just sit there and run the same plays over and over.
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Is OU's line really miles and miles ahead of LSU's talent wise?
Not at all.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:17 pm to LSUgrad08112
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The stats you posted directly contradict your point. What a fricking moron
I was just about to say the same.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:17 pm to Goldrush25
No your new hero said that O inherited a talent laden roster and player development is the reason that they haven't done well. Well he's full of shite. Maybe he can link an article saying that strength and speed are overrated. You all would eat it up just like the other nonsense that he's posted.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:19 pm to bencoleman
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No your new hero said that O inherited a talent laden roster and player development is the reason that they haven't done well
You realize your hero is the one who said this team was good enough to win championships, and that was the expectations from day one right?
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:21 pm to bencoleman
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No your new hero said that O inherited a talent laden roster and player development is the reason that they haven't done well
Do you think our players have been developed to their maximum potential?
Also, do you think every team in the playoffs has recruited better on the o-line than we have? If you look at high school ratings, they haven't. If you want to sit here and say that every other school's player ratings are just wrong then that's a tough sell.
At some point you have to pay attention to the evidence and face some tough truths.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:23 pm to Goldrush25
Our linemen don’t seem as physical as the elite programs. I have no clue why but that’s the main difference in our team compared to the top two in the country
This post was edited on 12/30/18 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:24 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Our lines under Miles were physical if nothing else. I think the run-dominant game plan he employed demanded it.
I think how physical you play is how you're taught to play.
I think how physical you play is how you're taught to play.
This post was edited on 12/30/18 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:25 pm to Goldrush25
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Those guys are talented players. They just need to be developed.
You know offensive linemen don't just become great on their own. They have to be mentored and taught
As I said. They are young and have had to be put on the field before they were ready or only just marginally ready.
The shite about inheriting a loaded roster is just that shite.
The shite about player development is just that shite
The guys are young they need more time to develop.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:27 pm to LongTime Tiger
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But the biggest reason was the Ed never trusted and believed in his system and that was the ultimate reason MC was fired.
I mean how the frick does this happen? Did he do any research on Canada? Sure doesn’t seem like it.
How do you not trust his system 4-5 games after you hired him?
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:28 pm to bencoleman
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The guys are young they need more time to develop.
So you feel that they should be developed enough to claim a playoff spot this next season right?
And you're not going to come with a bunch of excuses if they fail to do so?
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:28 pm to LongTime Tiger
quote:Canada's sytem put ALOT on the QB, and a fair amount on the WRs. We did not see many illegal shift, illegal formation, or busted plays/meshes in the backfield so I'd say they had it down fairly well.
Partly right. Almost no one got along with Canada. He was brash and arrogant according to some of the staff. That didn't sit well with some who had been there for longer. Plus some players had difficulty learning the system. I saw part of the the playbook and it was a lot of commands, just to set the motion and formation. That was the reason that several very talented athletes didn't get much playing time.
quote:Worth noticing, at the end of the season, Ensminger admitted that several positions had still not learned audibles.
But the biggest reason was the Ed never trusted and believed in his system and that was the ultimate reason MC was fired.
Maybe BOTH the distrust of Canada's system and the automatic, guaranteed, faith-based trust of E's system are misplaced.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:29 pm to bencoleman
Just say what you are meaning to say......
Anything to not blame Orgeron and Ensminger.
Anything to not blame Orgeron and Ensminger.
Anything to not blame Orgeron and Ensminger.
Anything to not blame Orgeron and Ensminger.
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As I said. They are young and have had to be put on the field before they were ready or only just marginally ready.
Anything to not blame Orgeron and Ensminger.
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The shite about inheriting a loaded roster is just that shite
Anything to not blame Orgeron and Ensminger.
quote:
The shite about player development is just that shite
Anything to not blame Orgeron and Ensminger.
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The guys are young they need more time to develop
Anything to not blame Orgeron and Ensminger.
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